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Race.it

Member Since: 27 Aug 2019
Location: Algeciras
Posts: 825

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Alaska White

Next question what tyres are you thinking of putting on them? Searching for my first Defender...and started just as Covid hit, so talk about timing.

5 months after starting the search I found it, and here is the details

16th Jan 2021 9:24pm

BaronDefenders

Member Since: 28 Jun 2019
Location: London/Cotswolds
Posts: 900

2004 Defender 90 Td5 CSW Santorini Black

At the minute I’m thinking either Toyo Open Country MT or Cooper Discoverer STT PROs in 275/70R18. Charlie

1949 Series 1 80 (SOLD)
2002 Td5 90 (SOLD)
2008 Freelander 2 (SOLD)

1958 Series 2 88 Pastel Green (2019 LR Legends Best Restored)
1983 V8 110 Limestone (Previously owned by Tom Sheppard MBE)
2004 Td5 90 Santorini Black (Td5INSIDE Powered & Rebuilt by CSK)
2012 Puma 110 Zermatt Silver (Overlanding Build)

Instagram: @BaronDefenders

16th Jan 2021 9:26pm

Grenadier

Member Since: 23 Jul 2014
Location: The foot of Mont Blanc...
Posts: 5841

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Corris Grey

I do like the Corse, indeed I love rally style wheels generally. Regardless of the brake upgrade, I think 18s are a must as the spacing between spokes on the 16s looks too packed to me, more like Blindos.

Still think Bowlers are sexier.....

. But I'll accept the Corse are cheaper. Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey

17th Jan 2021 7:15am

bankz5152

Member Since: 02 Feb 2017
Location: South London/North Kent
Posts: 2187

Zed wrote:
BaronDefenders wrote:
Grenadier wrote:
Baron, too kind, but it’s Bowler that must take the credit.

Shop around, there are loads of ‘suppliers’ now, so maybe some have some 18’s in stock. But there are quite a few on here who swear by the 16’s as well. Check a photo of those out first I’d suggest.

My thoughts behind the 18s is that I’d like to go for a brake upgrade and I’d rather go all out on an 18” brake upgrade than a 16” kit.

As Bankz mentioned LOF do brakes for 16's or you could spend a bit more for Bowler brakes. They were designed for Challenge rally cars wearing 16's and are superb.

Another vote for Evo 18's over Bowler 18's. They have got the proportions just right.

Not worth it for the £5500 price tag! Instagram @defender_ventures
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17th Jan 2021 7:41am

BaronDefenders

Member Since: 28 Jun 2019
Location: London/Cotswolds
Posts: 900

Grenadier wrote:
I do like the Corse, indeed I love rally style wheels generally. Regardless of the brake upgrade, I think 18s are a must as the spacing between spokes on the 16s looks too packed to me, more like Blindos.

Still think Bowlers are sexier..... . But I'll accept the Corse are cheaper.

I haven’t pulled the pin quite yet, but Bowler have confirmed they’re having supply issues for the 18s. They’re hoping to have them in stock again in February, but that wasn’t a guarantee . . .

Yes, a set of 5 EVOs work out at £1,600 vs. £1,900 for the Bowlers. Charlie

1949 Series 1 80 (SOLD)
2002 Td5 90 (SOLD)
2008 Freelander 2 (SOLD)

1958 Series 2 88 Pastel Green (2019 LR Legends Best Restored)
1983 V8 110 Limestone (Previously owned by Tom Sheppard MBE)
2004 Td5 90 Santorini Black (Td5INSIDE Powered & Rebuilt by CSK)
2012 Puma 110 Zermatt Silver (Overlanding Build)

Instagram: @BaronDefenders

17th Jan 2021 8:17am

BaronDefenders

Member Since: 28 Jun 2019
Location: London/Cotswolds
Posts: 900

bankz5152 wrote:
Zed wrote:
BaronDefenders wrote:
Grenadier wrote:
Baron, too kind, but it’s Bowler that must take the credit.

Shop around, there are loads of ‘suppliers’ now, so maybe some have some 18’s in stock. But there are quite a few on here who swear by the 16’s as well. Check a photo of those out first I’d suggest.

My thoughts behind the 18s is that I’d like to go for a brake upgrade and I’d rather go all out on an 18” brake upgrade than a 16” kit.

As Bankz mentioned LOF do brakes for 16's or you could spend a bit more for Bowler brakes. They were designed for Challenge rally cars wearing 16's and are superb.

Another vote for Evo 18's over Bowler 18's. They have got the proportions just right.

Not worth it for the £5500 price tag!

I think the LOF front and rear EXTREMEspec brake kit for 18s would leave you with change out of £5,500. Charlie

1949 Series 1 80 (SOLD)
2002 Td5 90 (SOLD)
2008 Freelander 2 (SOLD)

1958 Series 2 88 Pastel Green (2019 LR Legends Best Restored)
1983 V8 110 Limestone (Previously owned by Tom Sheppard MBE)
2004 Td5 90 Santorini Black (Td5INSIDE Powered & Rebuilt by CSK)
2012 Puma 110 Zermatt Silver (Overlanding Build)

Instagram: @BaronDefenders

17th Jan 2021 8:20am

bankz5152

Member Since: 02 Feb 2017
Location: South London/North Kent
Posts: 2187

Slightly off £4200 but still mental money.

Ive had LOFs kit on for few thousand miles and they are spot on. Excellent stopping power, no fade and look awesome!

I do love the Evos i want them for my next one! Instagram @defender_ventures
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17th Jan 2021 9:12am

BaronDefenders

Member Since: 28 Jun 2019
Location: London/Cotswolds
Posts: 900

Well I think a set of LOF fronts might be a summer project and then rears as and when.

EVO Corse might be making my bank account a bit lighter at some point this week

Charlie

1949 Series 1 80 (SOLD)
2002 Td5 90 (SOLD)
2008 Freelander 2 (SOLD)

1958 Series 2 88 Pastel Green (2019 LR Legends Best Restored)
1983 V8 110 Limestone (Previously owned by Tom Sheppard MBE)
2004 Td5 90 Santorini Black (Td5INSIDE Powered & Rebuilt by CSK)
2012 Puma 110 Zermatt Silver (Overlanding Build)

Instagram: @BaronDefenders

17th Jan 2021 9:28am

LR90XS2011

Member Since: 05 Apr 2011
Location: bickenhill
Posts: 3645

2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Galway Green

Evo course 8.5 inch wide et 18

Bowler 8 inch wide et 15

so if my understanding is correct the evos will ultimately stick out about 9 mm more than the bowlers and stick in about 3mm more

and will take a bit wider tyre DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,

I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy

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17th Jan 2021 10:24am

Grenadier

Member Since: 23 Jul 2014
Location: The foot of Mont Blanc...
Posts: 5841

OT: Brake upgrades are an ongoing debate with myself.

Price/need/reality/usage/limitations.

I honestly cannot see the need (beyond racing or ‘they look frigging awesome’) in spending 5k on a set of APs or Alcons. The limitations placed on the BBK by the vehicles handling characteristics and non-road biased heavy duty tyres, make having monster anchors at a monster price, a bit pointless. Even if driving like a hooligan. The handling and tyres will give up far before the BBK reaches its limits.

However, what is undeniable is that for vehicles that carry a bit more weight, or driven more like a ‘normal’ car, or are used in environments such as mine (with a lot of heavy braking downhill on twisty alpine roads) the stock brakes are simply not good enough. I know there are some who say uprated hoses and well maintained pads/discs are all you need, but I can strongly disagree based on brake fade I’ve had out here.

So for me, a compromise is needed. A brake kit that offers considerably better braking if a like-for-like 4-pot swap, or if you’re feeling generous, a six pot set up, but at a price point that’s not prohibitive. In my mind there are only a couple of options, LOF and (Stateside) Wilwood. One day I’ll make the purchase

Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey

17th Jan 2021 11:55am

BaronDefenders

Member Since: 28 Jun 2019
Location: London/Cotswolds
Posts: 900

I can remember driving down a particularly Land Rover unfriendly pass near the Glières Plateau in 2019. By the bottom, the brakes had completely faded and still were unbelievably hot by the time I reached La Clusaz. Charlie

1949 Series 1 80 (SOLD)
2002 Td5 90 (SOLD)
2008 Freelander 2 (SOLD)

1958 Series 2 88 Pastel Green (2019 LR Legends Best Restored)
1983 V8 110 Limestone (Previously owned by Tom Sheppard MBE)
2004 Td5 90 Santorini Black (Td5INSIDE Powered & Rebuilt by CSK)
2012 Puma 110 Zermatt Silver (Overlanding Build)

Instagram: @BaronDefenders

Last edited by BaronDefenders on 17th Jan 2021 12:53pm. Edited 1 time in total

17th Jan 2021 12:26pm

Likeomg

Member Since: 29 Jun 2012
Location: Lake District / Newcastle
Posts: 2644

2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Stornoway Grey

Had no issues taking the scenic route via Gotthard pass... and that's towing my 2.8ton Fletcher back from Garda

17th Jan 2021 12:31pm

LandRoverAnorak

Member Since: 17 Jul 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 11324

I used to tow a 1 tonne off road camping trailer and on one trip across the Alps managed to melt the cables to the trailer wheels because of the long downhill stretches. The solution was to back off the brakes and tow it unbraked but even then the brakes on the towing vehicle were fine. That vehicle was a Discovery 1 but the brakes are obviously virtually identical to a 110. Darren

110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak

"You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia

17th Jan 2021 12:46pm

Zed

Member Since: 07 Oct 2017
Location: In the woods
Posts: 3327

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black

bankz5152 wrote:
Zed wrote:
BaronDefenders wrote:
Grenadier wrote:
Baron, too kind, but it’s Bowler that must take the credit.

Shop around, there are loads of ‘suppliers’ now, so maybe some have some 18’s in stock. But there are quite a few on here who swear by the 16’s as well. Check a photo of those out first I’d suggest.

My thoughts behind the 18s is that I’d like to go for a brake upgrade and I’d rather go all out on an 18” brake upgrade than a 16” kit.

As Bankz mentioned LOF do brakes for 16's or you could spend a bit more for Bowler brakes. They were designed for Challenge rally cars wearing 16's and are superb.

Another vote for Evo 18's over Bowler 18's. They have got the proportions just right.

Not worth it for the £5500 price tag!

£4200 last time I looked and worth every penny if you work brakes hard. WARNING.
This post may contain sarcasm.

17th Jan 2021 3:24pm

TJ101

Member Since: 30 May 2007
Location: Taunton Somerset
Posts: 3750

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Montalcino Red

18"Bowlers, even after 4 years, if i had to, would buy the same again

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Never once have i had the thought of needing to upgrade brakes,,, even after taking the scenic route, towing over the alps into Italy Did have to stop halfway down for the trailer brakes to cool down mind, but then it was very near on the weight limit

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17th Jan 2021 5:32pm

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