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I'm more interested in the third party data they have crunched and if the facts they are presenting are correct. It's worth noting JLR said "they didn't recognise the figures" not "no, they are wrong". 
Just look how they were ahead of the curve in 2019 and forecast to be so far behind it in 2021. It's almost as if JLR had no real intention to develop BEVs and the iPace was just a mechanism to offset CO2 emissions whilst they ploughed on with what they wanted to do and make diesel & petrol vehicles.  Click image to enlarge I wonder what's going to happen at Magna, now they've potentially going to get a stake in Fisker, will supply the vehicle platform and build the electric carmaker's Ocean SUV at Graz. Perhaps this ties in with JLR binning the iPace or moving production in house? https://www.autoblog.com/2020/10/15/fisker...ocean-suv/ |
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15th Oct 2020 6:06am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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JLR now making a financial provision for £90 million to allow for EU CO² fines:
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27th Oct 2020 1:59pm |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753 
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In the latest What Car?magazine they have their Best Used Cars 2020 item and the best Used Tow cars item - sad to see that there isn’t a single Land Rover product listed in either section, no Discovery 4 or RRS in the used tow cars and no Range Rover mentioned in the large Luxury car section. Purely down to reliability I reckon but they don’t say why no Land Rovers were in the running. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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27th Oct 2020 2:13pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Maybe JLR should be taking a leaf out of Fiat Chrysler's (FCA) book:
"In 2020, Europe introduced tough new targets for average CO2 emissions from cars, prompting automakers to urgently seek solutions to their problems. Fiat Chrysler (FCA) formed an open pool with Tesla on February 25, 2019, stating that Tesla will be accounted for in its fleet of brands, including Alfa Romeo, Jeep and Maserati, according to a statement on the European Commission website. FCA has agreed to pay Tesla hundreds of millions of euros, so the electric vehicle manufacturer's vehicles are now counted in its fleet to avoid heavy fines for violating tough new EU emission regulations. FCA CEO Mike Manley says that the group locked with Tesla on carbon credits with a multi-year agreement, reported Benzinga. This means that Tesla will continue to benefit financially from this deal for several more years. This, in turn, will have a positive effect on the financial situation of the company, which is now building factories on three continents and strives to continue further expansion. The deal allows FCA to offset CO2 emissions from its vehicles relative to Tesla's, bringing the average down to acceptable levels. If this deal had not been signed, FCA could face fines of over 2 billion euros as early as 2021. EU rules allow competing companies to form so-called open pools. The Tesla-FCA deal for Europe marks the first time wholly separate producers have pooled their emissions together as a commercially viable regulatory compliance strategy. Tesla generates significant revenues by selling zero-emission vehicle credits. Thus, the more electric vehicles Tesla produces, the more carbon credits it can sell, which in turn will have a positive effect on the company's revenue." https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-...-agreement |
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29th Oct 2020 7:39am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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So Honda also joining FCA in the Tesla pool; and Volvo selling credits to Ford.
Does JLR have no friends? (Subscription may be required) https://www.autonews.com/regulation-safety...compliance |
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3rd Nov 2020 8:02am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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JLR still bumping along at the bottom...
Click image to enlarge And improvement year on year is only just better than Toyota, who have a very said that there's no demand for BEVs... Click image to enlarge https://www.jato.com/jato-dynamics-analysi...s-in-2020/ |
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15th Dec 2020 6:30am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Click image to enlarge So Daimler have come from right at the back to getting across the line in time. "Mercedes-Benz Cars has avoided emissions penalties by tripling its global sales of plug-in hybrids and electric vehicles and meeting European CO2 targets. It announced today (Jan  that it sold more than 160,000 of what it collectively terms xEVs worldwide in 2020 – an increase of 228 per cent.
Some 87,000 plug-in hybrids and EVs were shifted in the fourth quarter, with their share of Mercedes-Benz Cars rising to 7.4 per cent from two per cent in 2019." https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/me...ids/212691 |
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8th Jan 2021 12:52pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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"Jaguar Land Rover teams up with Tesla to help meet EU emission rules
UK carmaker Jaguar Land Rover has joined a scheme with electric rival Tesla to help it meet European emission rules and avoid fines. Under the arrangement, JLR and Japan’s Honda are paying to pool emissions from their vehicles with Tesla’s battery cars, helping them lower their average figures, official documents show. JLR’s decision to pool emissions with Tesla is an admission it will not be within the EU limits this year. It missed its CO2 targets last year and paid a £35m fine. This year, it has been hampered by poor sales of its electric Jaguar I-Pace, as well as a significant hit to production from the global chip crisis." https://www.ft.com/content/ee41c9dd-d9f3-4b4f-9598-f0d392361af8 "Despite almost all manufacturers being bullish on CO2 targets this year, it is noteworthy that Jaguar Land Rover (JLR) under the shadow of the semiconductor shortage have likely concluded that they are more willing to derail their CO2 compliance targets in order to help their underlying profits from their higher emitting profitable models than sacrifice these in order to meet their compliance targets. JLR which is classified as a niche manufacturer has a derogation target of just 131.8g/km rather than the fleet weight-based average 95g/km (NEDC) target for volume manufacturers." https://www.schmidtmatthias.de/post/exclus...l-for-2021 " JLR will pay £37m to Tesla for an arrangement that allows it to pool its UK and EU carbon emissions with the electric-car maker, bringing down its average and helping it stay within legal limits. This will allow it to avoid a fine that the company disclosed on Monday would have been about £89m. JLR expected to spend £59m buying emissions credits from rivals in China and the US to help it meet targets in those markets, it added." https://www.ft.com/content/558a7f80-61fb-4348-8bef-8b850e3e8750 |
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27th Oct 2021 11:41am |
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