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| rallysteve Member Since: 10 Feb 2014 Location: Cumbria Posts: 2237   
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Have a look at the Machinery Directive (European Legislation) or the Supply of Machinery (Safety) Regulations which is the UK inactment of the directive. That will tell you what the actual, legal, requirements are for equipment . The Essential Health and Safety Requirements (EHSRs) in the appendix/annex should give you the most concise info (relatively speaking) as the main body is heavy going.
Both download able through HSE website or Europa. Cheers, Steve 02' 110 TD5 Double Cab Rebuild Thread |
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14th Aug 2020 12:56pm |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753 
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14th Aug 2020 2:38pm |
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| discomog Member Since: 09 May 2015 Location: Notts/Lincs Border Posts: 2531 
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I know it is not mandatory to have reverse warning on road vehicles but not sure about any legislation for construction equipment.
This search on Google refers to reverse warning and nuisance/pollution. Maybe worth you reading through. https://www.google.com/search?ei=Qac2X4ekL...amp;uact=5 Defender 90XS SW Mini Countryman Cooper S Morgan Plus 8 |
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14th Aug 2020 3:10pm |
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| Pacha Member Since: 23 Feb 2020 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 772 
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If plant is fitted with an audible warning device it is illegal to remove it/disable it. One option is to ensure any plant has 'white noise' sounders - less intrusive and keeps you within the law. Rgds.
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14th Aug 2020 6:41pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3525 
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You also need to be aware that the Government is or has lifted restrictions on construction site working times to try to move things along quicker in their aim to build more houses. Probably not what you want to hear, I'm afraid.
The good thing is, most house building sites will shut down as it gets dark. Not something to look forward to but if the economy goes to the wall any more, and enough people are put out of a job by this Covid nightmare, there will be so few people able to obtain a mortgage, the house building will crawl to a stop again. |
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14th Aug 2020 7:44pm |
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| Projectblue Member Since: 22 Nov 2011 Location: Devon Posts: 1096 
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Good luck, they built a massive new building next to my office between 2017-2019 and all we had for 2 years was the beep beep beep. Once they laid the tarmac, we thought they had finished and the big plant went away. They had the last laugh though because they came back to put security gates in with pressure sensors in the tarmac which had to be cut in. Four days of skill saw, right under my window. C
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15th Aug 2020 11:02pm |
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| Paddington Member Since: 15 May 2020 Location: Oxford Posts: 43
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From personal experience i know how irritating this can be. From a professional perspective, this audible alarm saves lives. Construction sites remain one of the most dangerous working enviroments there is. Construction companies have to be aware of the local environment and the impact of building works on those living in the vicinity. To some degree this disruption is mitigated by limiting both working hours and the timing of deliveries, but some inconvenience is unavoidable. I suggest maybe your local parish council could represent the views of the village in a meeting with the contractor.
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16th Aug 2020 6:00pm |
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| Rosco Member Since: 03 Dec 2010 Location: Burntwood Posts: 1835 
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I'll put my head above the parapet here and admit I work for a national house builder. And I agree those reversing alarms are pretty annoying but essential as has previously been said. Normally equipped on the tele handlers, as they are the ones running round all day feeding the materials out.
I'm currently working from the garden shed at home due to the on going pandemic and have two housing sites (from other developers) around 1/2 mile away and I can hear the reversing beepers throughout the day, so I know exactly where your coming from, but like living by a railway or main road, they just become part of the back ground noise. (Also reminds me of my days as a site trainee). Frequently the developers look to support a local community space, good bit of PR, gives them some points on the CS scheme Tim is talking about and is a good opportunity to engage with the locals. Worth seeing if anyone in the area knows of anything that needs a little support. 2007 - Stornoway Grey 90 XS SW - Gone 2002 - Black Discovery II - Gone 2014 - Montalcino Red 110 XS SW |
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16th Aug 2020 9:09pm |
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| Bian Considine Member Since: 25 Jul 2020 Location: Margate Posts: 53
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I appreciate the comments and pointers - thanks guys.
Firstly, I moved to where I live to e in a quiet area and once the houses have been built it will probably return to that status. However, this particular developer has not shown much (if any) respect for the local community - the plans to get initials conscent showed new roads connected to one existing wide(ish) road and to another narrow (but to be upgraded) road which would have had little long term effect on the village. Now, the revised plans show more reliance on the existing roads which cannot be upgraded without totally destroying the village. Most of the locals accept that there is a need for many new homes (although there are many brownfield sites in the area which should be used up before grade I farmland is used) but the impact during the construction period should be reduced and the developer not allowed to run roughshod over local people in their quest to line their pockets. So far, they have not come up with anything for the local community. Anyway, I digress. The main point is the intrusion of the warning beepers. Quote from a member who works in the industry "they just become part of the back ground noise" which really does negate their purpose to the point of being useless - if you are working close to mobile plant you will no longer hear & react to it. A problem that needs addressing - maybe by use of CCTV on the equipment and the use of a trained banksman in radio and visual contact with the driver. On many construction sites you are not allowed to reverse a vehicle without one and some sites in sensitive areas do not allow audible warnings anyway. |
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17th Aug 2020 9:34am |
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| ARC99 Member Since: 19 Feb 2013 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 1831 
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I know how annoying the audible warnings are but are now part of the Health and Safety legislations.
I volunteer for a charity who have a telehandler and a front loader both of which have to be fitted with audible warnings in the case of the front loader it was an after market item as it was not manufactured with one.. After a couple of weeks of running the two machines the charity was inundated with letters of complaint about the noise. As the person given the responsibility of regular maintenance of both machines I was instructed to pull the fuse on the front loader and muffle the telehandler, six weeks later we had a surprise Health and Safety inspection and that's when the  hit the fan with threats of shutting things down . We came to a compromise of fitting a deflector to the horn so that the sound was focused down wards. Don't make old people mad.
We don't like being old in the first place, so it doesn't take much to us off.
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17th Aug 2020 10:17am |
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| discomog Member Since: 09 May 2015 Location: Notts/Lincs Border Posts: 2531
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Your suggestion of a banksman is the ideal solution and employed on many sites, however I cannot see the house building industry being able to employ them due to economic reasons. Equipping vehicles with CCTV or ultra sonic detectors again is an expensive option and would only be employed if regulated by legislation and the HSE.
As ARC99 has reported it is not a good idea to removed existing bleepers so it looks like you are stuck with this problem and certainly if you local council had any sway with the builders they would never in this litigious climate even suggest silencing them or pulling the fuse. Your local council could ask for a meeting to discuss how they might limit the use of these vehicles. (I hope you get some partial solution if not a fully satisfactory one - good luck and keep us all posted) Defender 90XS SW Mini Countryman Cooper S Morgan Plus 8 |
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17th Aug 2020 12:37pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3525
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To be honest discomog, cost shouldn’t really come into it (although, let’s face it, it always does)
One of the reasons for using Telehandlers is to reduce the risk of operatives carrying bricks up ladders. The telehandler is a much larger expense than the hod 
From my experience on site, one vehicle with a reversing bleeper works. Numerous vehicles on a site with numerous bleepers, they sadly become ignored. Lorries which deliver to most large sites have to be reversed with the use of a banksman. Railway work on live lines requires a watch crew. Anything is possible, it’s just Main Contractors don’t like doing things until either they are forced or someone dies - usually the latter before the former 
I would make sure the building company is in dialogue with the local Parish Council. It is the kind of thing they are very useful for. |
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17th Aug 2020 12:54pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4218 
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Definitely make a representation to your local authority, they can make all kinds of requirements of construction sites if they feel motivated to do so. Look at what London has done with CLOCS and FORS initiatives for an extreme example of that. In this case it may be possible that some sound mitigation could be erected to prevent the noise of the beepers travelling towards nearby residences. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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17th Aug 2020 1:00pm |
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| Rosco Member Since: 03 Dec 2010 Location: Burntwood Posts: 1835
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Bain, when I said they just become part of the background noise, I was referring to was the noise I can hear from my own garden with the adjacent ongoing works. I can also hear the noise of the 360's tracking round site. It will be an incovience during the works, but hopefully one that is tolerable and over swiftly.
Construction sites are now operated more like a permenant production works in terms of vehicle and pedestrian segregation, with permitted walkways and traffic routes clearly laid out. Any crossing points are well highlighted and often gated to ensure all users are checking the route is safe. The suggestion of a banksman is utilised frequently on sites, but only in terms of the movement of delivery vehicles, which often have blindspots when manuvering and the banksman is there to support the driver perform his role. The telehandlers, etc are deemed to have sufficient all round visibility not to need a banksman, but it is now becoming the norm to see these machines fitted with 360 degree cameras, as an aid to the driver, but also as an independent witness should the need arise. I would be more concerned about the long term effect to the village though if the proposed infrastructure improvements initially tabled are now being removed, no doubt in a bid to cut costs on behalf of the contractor. 2007 - Stornoway Grey 90 XS SW - Gone 2002 - Black Discovery II - Gone 2014 - Montalcino Red 110 XS SW |
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17th Aug 2020 1:10pm |
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