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donmacn

Member Since: 06 Nov 2017
Location: Nth Scotland
Posts: 1848

That's one of the earlier pre-Puma doors.

If you look at the first of my pics on this thread you'll see the holes/blanks for both the tdi and Puma doors. I've no door card on mine at the moment, so could provide measurements of either if they appear to fit your carrier? Donald

1994 Defender 300Tdi 110 SW - owned since 2002 - 230k miles and going strong
(The 'rolling restoration' or tinkering thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic58538.html )
2000 Range Rover P38 4.0L V8

in the past..
RR classic - fitted with 200Tdi
1984 RR classic - V8 with ZF auto box
1993 Discovery 300Tdi

not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper...

28th Apr 2020 6:14pm

gilly1969

Member Since: 16 Mar 2016
Location: Godstone
Posts: 48

There are two sets of holes in the plate. Slotted ones for newer doors and round holes for older doors. As there are no pre-cut holes in my new door I could probably use either. Did you add the reinforcement strips to the back of your door?

28th Apr 2020 6:59pm

donmacn

Member Since: 06 Nov 2017
Location: Nth Scotland
Posts: 1848

No - that's the way it came. As it says in that thread, it's a guy in Nth Ireland making replacement doors. I don't know if it's his standard approach to provide bracing/strengthening for both types of carrier, or whether I specified that - but I suspect it's his standard.

I'd hazard a guess that your door is an SP4x4 one. I can see that there's a hole in the frame for a rear wiper, but it looks like the skin hasn't been drilled, and there's no bracing or holes for the spare wheel carrier.

I had one of them, and until I got the nakatanenga carrier, my plan was to fit my older swingaway carrier. I was going to bolt it straight through the door, and into the aluminium chequer plate 'door card'. That way I was hoping to provide sufficient strength/bracing to stop the weight of the spare wheel damaging the door like happened to the factory original. Donald

1994 Defender 300Tdi 110 SW - owned since 2002 - 230k miles and going strong
(The 'rolling restoration' or tinkering thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic58538.html )
2000 Range Rover P38 4.0L V8

in the past..
RR classic - fitted with 200Tdi
1984 RR classic - V8 with ZF auto box
1993 Discovery 300Tdi

not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper...

28th Apr 2020 7:29pm

LandRoverAnorak

Member Since: 17 Jul 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 11324

Here's the door plate that I've got. The slotted holes on the left and right edges correspond to the mounting bolts for the later wheel carrier bracket. The measurements to the centre of the bottom right hand hole are 290mm from the bottom of the door and 215mm from the right hand edge / hinge side.

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However, now that I can see your door, I think you're really going to need the measurements for the wheel carrier that would have been fitted to that type. You may even need the backing plate from that type of carrier as reinforcement, as the door skin alone isn't very strong. Darren

110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak

"You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia

28th Apr 2020 8:43pm

donmacn

Member Since: 06 Nov 2017
Location: Nth Scotland
Posts: 1848

^^^^ the door skin's not very strong - absolutely.

My first swingaway carrier goes back to the days of 'Scorpion Racing'. This was on the earlier style door. It came with a powder coated plate with about 8 holes in it, to be bolted through the skin. I don't think any of them coincided with the 'proper' holes, or anything else for that matter. The powder coating lasted about 5 mins.

That said, because the weight of the wheel was mounted on the chassis and the rear tub, I don't think it really stressed the door too much.

However, had I stuck with that door, to overcome the lack of strength on the skin, as I said above I was going to fit a chequer plate door card, and bolt right through into that, with some strong spacers in between to provide a little more strength. Now I've gone for the Mossside door, that dodgy solution can thankfully be put to one side. Donald

1994 Defender 300Tdi 110 SW - owned since 2002 - 230k miles and going strong
(The 'rolling restoration' or tinkering thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic58538.html )
2000 Range Rover P38 4.0L V8

in the past..
RR classic - fitted with 200Tdi
1984 RR classic - V8 with ZF auto box
1993 Discovery 300Tdi

not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper...

28th Apr 2020 8:54pm

Oldowner

Member Since: 26 Dec 2018
Location: South west
Posts: 626

2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Aintree Green

donmacn wrote:
No - that's the way it came. As it says in that thread, it's a guy in Nth Ireland making replacement doors. I don't know if it's his standard approach to provide bracing/strengthening for both types of carrier, or whether I specified that - but I suspect it's his standard.

I'd hazard a guess that your door is an SP4x4 one. I can see that there's a hole in the frame for a rear wiper, but it looks like the skin hasn't been drilled, and there's no bracing or holes for the spare wheel carrier.

I had one of them, and until I got the nakatanenga carrier, my plan was to fit my older swingaway carrier. I was going to bolt it straight through the door, and into the aluminium chequer plate 'door card'. That way I was hoping to provide sufficient strength/bracing to stop the weight of the spare wheel damaging the door like happened to the factory original.

The original factory fitted pre 2002 doors used to come with a pair of extra steel reinforcing channels riveted on the internals vertically to try and prevent the door cracking and flexing, but these were often not transferred over when the door rots out and a new pattern one is fitted.

29th Apr 2020 7:00am

gilly1969

Member Since: 16 Mar 2016
Location: Godstone
Posts: 48

Thanks for the measurements Darren. I'll give those a go. That certainly looks like the plate I have. Cheers, Mark.

29th Apr 2020 8:34am

Harry.O

Member Since: 25 Jul 2014
Location: Warwickshire
Posts: 716

Having just checked my wheel carrier, Darren was quite right when he said the plate shown in the Britpart instructions doesn't match the plate provided. I assume they updated it so that it would cover both early and late style doors.

That said, here's a few measurements, taken with the end of the tape measure in the door seal gap and pulled taught. This is a later type door but the chassis mounting points are the same so I assume the position of the plate in relation to the door remains the same also

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Below picture measured from left hand side of the door to the left edge of the mounting plate

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And measured from the bottom of the door to the lower edge of the mounting plate

Click image to enlarge 2005 Td5 110 Hardtop
1989 300Tdi 90 Soft top
1992 200Tdi 90 Truck cab with Land Cruiser axles

29th Apr 2020 12:18pm

donmacn

Member Since: 06 Nov 2017
Location: Nth Scotland
Posts: 1848

Oldowner wrote:
The original factory fitted pre 2002 doors used to come with a pair of extra steel reinforcing channels riveted on the internals vertically to try and prevent the door cracking and flexing, but these were often not transferred over when the door rots out and a new pattern one is fitted.

That's interesting - didn't know that. Was that during a specific period?

I still have my old door at the back of the garage so I went to have a look, and there's no sign of any rivetted strengtheners. However, though it had been on the car from about 2001 onwards, it's possible it might have been changed in the 6 or 7 years prior to my ownership, and that the strengtheners hadn't been taken over at that stage. Donald

1994 Defender 300Tdi 110 SW - owned since 2002 - 230k miles and going strong
(The 'rolling restoration' or tinkering thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic58538.html )
2000 Range Rover P38 4.0L V8

in the past..
RR classic - fitted with 200Tdi
1984 RR classic - V8 with ZF auto box
1993 Discovery 300Tdi

not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper...

29th Apr 2020 12:38pm

gilly1969

Member Since: 16 Mar 2016
Location: Godstone
Posts: 48

Thanks everyone for all of your help. When it stops raining I'll get stuck in and post some pics when I'm done.

29th Apr 2020 12:57pm

Martin
Site Admin

Member Since: 02 Apr 2007
Location: Hook Norton
Posts: 6612

2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Montalcino Red

LandRoverAnorak wrote:
Here's the door plate that I've got.

Isn't that for the Mantec carrier not the Britpart copy?

1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top

2015 D90 XS SW

29th Apr 2020 12:58pm

LandRoverAnorak

Member Since: 17 Jul 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 11324

No, it came with the Britpart carrier that I've bought. Darren

110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak

"You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia

29th Apr 2020 1:44pm

Oldowner

Member Since: 26 Dec 2018
Location: South west
Posts: 626

donmacn wrote:
Oldowner wrote:
The original factory fitted pre 2002 doors used to come with a pair of extra steel reinforcing channels riveted on the internals vertically to try and prevent the door cracking and flexing, but these were often not transferred over when the door rots out and a new pattern one is fitted.

That's interesting - didn't know that. Was that during a specific period?

I still have my old door at the back of the garage so I went to have a look, and there's no sign of any rivetted strengtheners. However, though it had been on the car from about 2001 onwards, it's possible it might have been changed in the 6 or 7 years prior to my ownership, and that the strengtheners hadn't been taken over at that stage.

Part numbers for the factory strengtheners are MXC7226 and MXC7227,

30th Apr 2020 6:29am

gilly1969

Member Since: 16 Mar 2016
Location: Godstone
Posts: 48

Job done! Thanks again for your contributions.

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4th May 2020 9:28am

LandRoverAnorak

Member Since: 17 Jul 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 11324

Excellent. Got any pictures without the wheel in place? Darren

110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak

"You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia

4th May 2020 9:30am

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