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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5829   
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£47k for a ULEZ compliant petrol transplant? £47k? That's 3600 days (TEN years) of driving in London in any given Def before it even starts paying its way, but you fork out the cash upfront rather than £12.5/day spread over the decade or more. And if you sell, it's gone.
Alernatively you could use your Def for occasional jaunts and then spend the money buying another purpose built fully ULEZ compliant car as an urban roundaround. Utterly mad price. Who are they kidding? 
https://www.twistedautomotive.com/engines/...ol-engine/ Monsieur Le Grenadier I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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4th Sep 2023 8:45am |
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| geobloke Member Since: 06 Nov 2012 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 4410 
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Honestly Grenadier there are days when I believe that common sense has left the building
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4th Sep 2023 8:48am |
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| geobloke Member Since: 06 Nov 2012 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 4410
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4th Sep 2023 9:38am |
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| Linds Hanson Member Since: 16 Jan 2021 Location: Cornwall Posts: 486
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£150k usually |
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4th Sep 2023 10:15am |
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| Linds Hanson Member Since: 16 Jan 2021 Location: Cornwall Posts: 486
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You could always spenk 49 n half on a twisty Jimney instead  |
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4th Sep 2023 10:18am |
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| LR Nuts Member Since: 10 Aug 2022 Location: UK Posts: 1143 
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Check that building's RAAC Certificate |
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4th Sep 2023 10:26am |
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| Chicken Drumstick Member Since: 17 Aug 2020 Location: Near MK Posts: 752
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There is no way those ev conversions should really be road legal when you look at the guidance on the .gov site for rebuilt or radically altered cars. The only way would be small scale production as a completely different brand and not as a Land Rover. |
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4th Sep 2023 2:05pm |
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| TexasRover Member Since: 24 Nov 2022 Location: Paris Posts: 1084 
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I don't disagree with you that probably they are not legal, but as things stand all these dumb rules are more a matter of principle than practice. Most, as in 99.99% of people, do nothing to their cars and just buy run and sell/scrap them.
Those very few people that mess around with cars to the point that they change the drive train and finish the job till it drives, well they probably know what they doing so they are hardly going to be a menace to society. Those that want to turn it into a business should be getting support not obstruction. Admittedly I live in France which has got to be the dumbest country on the planet in terms of rules and regulations |
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4th Sep 2023 2:55pm |
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| o4dn Member Since: 08 Jan 2010 Location: South West Posts: 545 
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I could not agree more...  “A Land Rover immobilized is a moral defeat for the driver and bad publicity for the vehicle, […] it's up to you to do justice to your Land Rover!” - Land Rover Driving Technique.
-- 2009 2.4 Puma Defender 90 SW 1979 Land Rover Series 3 88" |
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4th Sep 2023 3:07pm |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5829
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France is all about Tax and as there's no annual road tax in France, the state is reliant on power/emissions tax at time of registration.
As such, given the French have a habit of doing things and not informing the government afterwards (as an estate agent I know all too well just how many houses aren't compliant for Tax d'Habitation and Tax Fonciere after a cheeky, undeclared extention or renovation), it goes without saying they wouldn't want people to change engines, remap engines, etc without any opportunity to recover tax that relates to that extra engine size/power/emissions. As it would be impossible to control and verify, it's easier to have a blanket ban. Altough, I've heard that there are exemptions and my local Def indie has certainly thrown a 3l Diesel into his Td5. Officially. I'm led to believe one avenue is medical, i.e. if you can provide a medical certificate to adapt your car. For example from manual to auto. I'm wondering if I can get a certificate for my back (let's be honest, the French are VERY good at dishing out medical certificates), for change to a full auto, whether CT will notice that the auto-box happened to have a 3l M57 diesel stuck to the front?  Monsieur Le Grenadier
I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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4th Sep 2023 3:37pm |
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| TexasRover Member Since: 24 Nov 2022 Location: Paris Posts: 1084
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Sounds convincing... let's face it as long as you can fit it in a rule... nobody really cares.
It's the toll roads where they get you to in France, at least it gives you a choice |
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4th Sep 2023 5:23pm |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2644  
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Then when you have spent all that money they will (even though the lying Toad of Toad Hall denies it) flip the switch on the cameras to Pay by Mile, catching everyone, EV, Classic overpriced engine conversions.
They said two years ago that the cameras were ordered to be dual purpose, prior to any consultation, because ULEZ revenue was predicated to drop off during 2025. He can deny that's what he would do now, but if he wins the next mayoral elections i am sure that the small print in his mandate will ensure the wording is in there. Then everyone will say 'that's what you voted for'. Retail is collapsing so i am sure those outside London will just give up on the place. |
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4th Sep 2023 6:06pm |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2644
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Looking at the Twisted web page.......the New Toyota Land Cruiser looks more appealing instead (for those interested you can now register your interest on the Toyota web site)
And i am guessing that they are only interested in Puma conversions and not us folks in TD5's |
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4th Sep 2023 6:18pm |
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| Ianh Member Since: 17 Sep 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 2031
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I certainly have, it adds a £12 premium to anything I buy within the M25, so prices small businesses on the edge of the zone out of the market. As for social excursions, I don’t bother any more either, but out of principle. |
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4th Sep 2023 7:38pm |
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