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| camelman Member Since: 27 Feb 2013 Location: Peak District Posts: 3386  
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DO you have any history for the vehicle? HAve the regular services been carried out on time etc?
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25th Jan 2021 10:11am |
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| francachristina Member Since: 25 Jan 2021 Location: Denmark Posts: 3 |
@camelman regular services carried out since we’ve owned it (18 months). I just checked the service book and I was mistaken, we only had it since 80,000 km! So that’s 20,000km of ownership wow.
Hard to say prior. The service book only shows two separate occasions in Spain one in 2013 and one in 2019 but not any details. I should probably investigate back with both auto shops. If we assume poor service prior to we had it, what should we keep an eye out for? |
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25th Jan 2021 10:27am |
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| Balvaig Member Since: 19 Feb 2016 Location: Fife Posts: 736  
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Hello and welcome to the forum.
It seems that your Defender has had a hard life and poor maintenance before you bought it. Government ownership can mean a lack of care, with many drivers who have no interest in the car, and maintenance put out to the cheapest garage. The mechanical problems are fairly standard faults, and can be fixed. I would be more concerned about the state of the chassis and bodywork. These are the more difficult things to fix without spending a lot. If you are enjoying the car, and the bodywork and chassis are sound, then the mechanical faults will hopefully be not too expensive. Defenders doo take a lot of looking after. |
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25th Jan 2021 11:50am |
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| Race.it Member Since: 27 Aug 2019 Location: Algeciras Posts: 827  
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Depends where it was from in Spain (ex lease) or private if private they just don’t service them here have seen cars that have the factory oil still in at 200k and they wonder why engine rattles.
If it’s lease then you do get it serviced but not many Land Rover dealers around. Mine was serviced for most of its life at a euromaster, but I have a list of all things done and when.) Searching for my first Defender...and started just as Covid hit, so talk about timing. 5 months after starting the search I found it, and here is the details |
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25th Jan 2021 11:52am |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3479  
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In my 13 months of ownership with a 2012 Defender I was not able to put a fraction of the Km you have done, except the first 2000km on first 3 days of ownership to get it home. I was very nervous to say the least during that trip, new vehicle to me, uncertainty of history, and a surprising large oil leak noticed somewhere in France from somewhere around the transfer box.
I can confirm that although previous owner used it quite extensively green laning, his service was according to JLR schedule. He also had turbo hoses failures, rubbing on steering shaft that a Spanish vehicle should not have being LHD. Rectified by JLR apparently. Oil pump was done through recall. Fast forward 13 months and in this time I replaced: 1. the rear driving members. Original were still ok, just I wanted new. 2. adaptor shaft (actually only new female spline) and new gearbox output seal and transfer case input seal as a matter of course due to oil leak. The oil leak was purely incorrect assembly of the Ashcroft adaptor shaft cover. Wear of the splines.. I really do not know. 3. Erasure of DTCs from ECU. Following the intervention of item 2 above, the engine decided to die about 2km away from home during the test drive. Engine did not want to start. Recovered back home, next day clear DTCs and engine sprang to life.  Weirdest behavior ever.
Other than the above and a new battery due to my lack of use, it has been sweet. I hope yours are only niggles that can be sorted soon. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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25th Jan 2021 1:15pm |
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| Ianh Member Since: 17 Sep 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 2135
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Sorry to hear about the problems you have been experiencing. As others have stated the defender is a reasonably reliable vehicle if regular maintenance is undertaken.
1. I hope the oil pump was replaced free of charge as it was part of a recall. Now you have a new one, which would have required a new sump pan. Clean that new pan, paint with chassis paint, and after a few weeks for the chassis paint to fully harden clean again and coat with an underbody wax such as bilt hamber dynax UB or dinitrol. They have a habit of rusting and are made of thin metal. 2. Grease your props. If servicing has been neglected than I bet the prop uj’s have not been touched. 3. Check your swivels for grease,meant to be filled for life, whatever that means, but checking and if necessary topping up with one shot grease is a good idea. 4. Check on your last service if the gearbox oil was replaced, I think the service schedule states 100k miles, but that’s far too long. If not change or have it changed. I think it’s 2.2litres, NOT top up until it comes out of the filler hole. Also change the transfer box and diff oils too. You stated other than fluid changes, but thought I would highlight for completeness. 5. If turbo hoses are splitting is this due to rubbing, there was a mod with a bracket to prevent this issue I believe. If After inspection you are happy with the chassis and body have the truck in for a good clean, any rust treated and wax injected into chassis and key body areas and chassis wax treated. I expect Spain was a lot warmer climate than Denmark so may not have had this done. Look at the rust prevention guide and look for a specialist in your area. |
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25th Jan 2021 1:46pm |
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| Julie Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: Nantes Posts: 550  
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I own a MY 2012 from new and 120 000 km on it À few minor issues in the first 2 years : loose DPF sensor , oil pump recall - which Land Rover repaired for free The adaptor shaft being replaced in 2018 ( which is some sort of common thing to tdci Defenders) Nothing else (beside oil, tyres, brake fluid etc.) I heared that Spanish Defenders are work horses. Being owned by elictricty providers. And : modern diesel engines with EGR do not like short distance. So, I'm happy to ride on my Vespa |
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25th Jan 2021 9:27pm |
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| Race.it Member Since: 27 Aug 2019 Location: Algeciras Posts: 827
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They use them for electric one company by me still has 3-4 td5’s and earlier ones running. But they also use them on the forestry commission (mine is one of them I think)
I am still cleaning earth from mine. Keep finding it in new places every day. But it’s dry from where my defender is from so the chassis is brand new the body a little dented but adds to the character they say Searching for my first Defender...and started just as Covid hit, so talk about timing. 5 months after starting the search I found it, and here is the details |
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25th Jan 2021 9:35pm |
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| Julie Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: Nantes Posts: 550
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On the 2012 this either a recall (like the oil pump) or the updated one has been installed from new (like on mine) If the old turbo hose has been installed by a Land Rover retailer, I'd have them pay for any additional costs related to it Best Julie |
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25th Jan 2021 9:36pm |
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| Julie Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: Nantes Posts: 550
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Here in France it's the firemen, the army and the rangers using them rather often |
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25th Jan 2021 10:01pm |
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| francachristina Member Since: 25 Jan 2021 Location: Denmark Posts: 3 |
Hi all,
Thanks for all the information. Really appreciate it. The turbo should be replaced in upcoming weeks (we aren’t driving it until it’s fixed up). I’ll get the guys to also check up on those extra points you added @Ianh. We underwent the proper rust prevention treatment last winter so that was sorted right away. That heater is really great in the winter time! Almost as good as the one in an old Volvo I used to own in New Zealand 
I managed to pull the notice about the Faulty Oil Pump from TopIX when the Puma was stranded at the dealership in Sweden. Unfortunately they would not cover the cost for this replacement. They were quick to dismiss the issue and could not confirm it was the original part... supposedly. Here’s to hoping this has just been a series of very unfortunate events the past month. None of the issues here seem to be out of the “ordinary” and my husband and I do believe the car was neglected with the prior ownership. Guess we’re just picking up the very expensive pieces!! Chassis and body are generally in good shape. So that’s a positive. |
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25th Jan 2021 10:03pm |
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| Balvaig Member Since: 19 Feb 2016 Location: Fife Posts: 736
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Despite all the problems I hope you are enjoying your ownership. We tend to accept that faults occur, and Defender ownership is different to modern cars. Hopefully you will get on top of the problems and have a reliable ( for a Defender) vehicle which will serve you well.
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26th Jan 2021 8:32am |
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| Two90s Member Since: 24 Dec 2020 Location: Southern UK Posts: 40 
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We have had our 2012 Puma for 18 months now, it has done 62,000 miles, so far no major problems. All I have done is replace the wiper motor and the indicator stalk, plus the rear door central locking motor.
It had a service history from the main dealership, plus we had a major main dealer service when we got it. I know from experience that these need regular servicing, especially diffs, seals, gear box, UJs, lubrication points. When we were buying our 300Tdi Defender, we looked at several very badly neglected vehicles from utility companies, ex mining vehicles and so on. They are bought new, used and abused, then sold off cheaply at auction. The worst one that springs to mind was an ex Gatwick airport runway maintenance vehicle, very low miles (24,000 as I recall) but totally shagged. Three different colours of smoke from the exhaust, blue, white and black. The bodywork and interior looked like a flock of monkeys had lived in it. The reason being, it had never been serviced or even switched off, just left running day in day out for years. So, buyer beware on these. Personally, I would always buy a privately owned vehicle if possible. Puma 90 XS Station Wagon in Keswick Green 2012 2.2 Tdci |
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26th Jan 2021 10:57pm |
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| JPE Member Since: 19 Nov 2018 Location: South West England Posts: 337 
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I've had my 2013 puma for just over 2 years. It had been regularly serviced by main dealers at the right intervals.
So far only minor things: (1) Intercooler blown. (2) intercooler pipe blown. (3) Coolant pipe to heater came off causing a rapid emptying of the coolant over the engine. (I stopped pretty quickly so fortunately no damage.) (4) Fumes from engine bay, caused by dpf having been removed at some point in the past & apparently not correctly refitted. (5) Windscreen frame replaced, just within warranty. (6) Melted headlamp connectors. (7) Rear half shafts replaced. (  Misc corrosion, doors not closing, & minor things, etc.
This month's puzzle to keep me busy in lockdown, how's all that water in the passenger footwell finding its way in? It's not like owning any other kind of vehicle. My freelander 2 was totally reliable & boring to own, over 7 years the only thing I had to do was change one fuse. The defender on the other hand provides a truly immersive owner experience. |
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27th Jan 2021 8:32am |
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