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The Monkey



Member Since: 11 Aug 2013
Location: Meath
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Ireland 
Batteries....
Hello all,
In about 5 weeks we're heading off around Europe and the Balkins for 8 weeks. I had originally planned on running 3 batteries.

My regular starting battery,
1 leisure battery for the fridge
1 battery for tent electrics phones and light and awning lights.

But I've since been thinking that maybe one leisure battery will be enough.
Can any one give me some advice. I had been planing on buying a

Halfords Leisure Battery HLB700.
Up to 1200 watt hours
Up to 200 cycles
NCC Class: B
Startup Power: 850 Amps
Voltage: 12V
Capacity: 100Ah

Cheers and thanks.
Post #992632 14th May 2023 7:06pm
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Mdm



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a lot depends on what space you have and where you plan to site the battery.

110-130 amp leisure are common and reasonable money.

assuming your fitting a split charge to it as well?

halfords have good warranty but a better brand name like yuasa/numax / etc would be my choice.
Post #992639 14th May 2023 7:26pm
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wyvern



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We have a simple 110 amp/hr battery for hotel services, (plus the original starter battery for just the vehicle needs) which keeps our vehicle running extra LED internal lights, night heater and water pump, numerous USB devices and an inverter for camera/laptop charging, and have had no issues on extended trips.

On a trip like you are looking at the engine will be used most days so the batteries will be kept topped up and mobile device will be charged when on the road.

We dont have a fridge so am not sure on how much drain you will have to keep this running, but expect that you would be ok on just 2 batteries provided that you are not draining a silly amount of power

but you could have a portable ‘jump stater’ battery pack as a simple back up rather than fit a 3rd battery to the system.

We are looking to do a similer trip next year so would love to hear how you get on.

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Post #992641 14th May 2023 7:37pm
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steveww



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I do not bother with the complexity of twin batteries, split charge and inverter.

I use a Jackery 1000 https://uk.jackery.com/products/jackery-ex...-generator The solar panels charge it when sunny at camp.

It charges from the car when driving, will run the fridge for a week, charges phones, lights, etc.

WE've also used ay home when there's a power cut.
Post #992679 15th May 2023 9:30am
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The Monkey



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[quote="Mdm"]a lot depends on what space you have and where you plan to site the battery.

110-130 amp leisure are common and reasonable money.

assuming your fitting a split charge to it as well?

halfords have good warranty but a better brand name like yuasa/numax / etc would be my choice.
wyvern wrote:
t charge already bought. I'm going to mount it in the rear Tub behind the bulkhead and make a seal battery Box in there. Halfors are mad by Yuasa as far as I'm aware. Didn't want to over complicate things.







[quote="wyvern"]We have a simple 110 amp/hr battery for hotel services, (plus the original starter battery for just the vehicle needs) which keeps our vehicle running extra LED internal lights, night heater and water pump, numerous USB devices and an inverter for camera/laptop charging, and have had no issues on extended trips.

On a trip like you are looking at the engine will be used most days so the batteries will be kept topped up and mobile device will be charged when on the road.

We dont have a fridge so am not sure on how much drain you will have to keep this running, but expect that you would be ok on just 2 batteries provided that you are not draining a silly amount of power

but you could have a portable ‘jump stater’ battery pack as a simple back up rather than fit a 3rd battery to the system.

We are looking to do a similer trip next year so would love to hear how you get on.

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I think one battery will be enough. The phones can be charged during the day the fridge kicks in and out and the lights are only 3 watts so very low power. I've a portable jumper pack aswell. I'll keep the forum posted. Thanks for the reply
Post #992681 15th May 2023 9:40am
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The Monkey



Member Since: 11 Aug 2013
Location: Meath
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wyvern wrote:
We have a simple 110 amp/hr battery for hotel services, (plus the original starter battery for just the vehicle needs) which keeps our vehicle running extra LED internal lights, night heater and water pump, numerous USB devices and an inverter for camera/laptop charging, and have had no issues on extended trips.

On a trip like you are looking at the engine will be used most days so the batteries will be kept topped up and mobile device will be charged when on the road.

We dont have a fridge so am not sure on how much drain you will have to keep this running, but expect that you would be ok on just 2 batteries provided that you are not draining a silly amount of power

but you could have a portable ‘jump stater’ battery pack as a simple back up rather than fit a 3rd battery to the system.

We are looking to do a similer trip next year so would love to hear how you get on.

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I think one battery will be enough. The phones can be charged during the day the fridge kicks in and out and the lights are only 3 watts so very low power. I've a portable jumper pack aswell. I'll keep the forum posted. Thanks for the reply
Post #992683 15th May 2023 9:41am
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The Monkey



Member Since: 11 Aug 2013
Location: Meath
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Mdm wrote:
a lot depends on what space you have and where you plan to site the battery.

110-130 amp leisure are common and reasonable money.

assuming your fitting a split charge to it as well?

halfords have good warranty but a better brand name like yuasa/numax / etc would be my choice.


Ive a split charge already bought. I'm going to mount it in the rear Tub behind the bulkhead and make a seal battery Box in there. Halfors are mad by Yuasa as far as I'm aware. Didn't want to over complicate things.
Post #992684 15th May 2023 9:43am
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captain slow



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steveww wrote:
I do not bother with the complexity of twin batteries, split charge and inverter.

I use a Jackery 1000 https://uk.jackery.com/products/jackery-ex...-generator The solar panels charge it when sunny at camp.

It charges from the car when driving, will run the fridge for a week, charges phones, lights, etc.

WE've also used ay home when there's a power cut.


I agree. I think this is a simpler solution. 2.2 Tdci 110 XS CSW Corris Grey
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Post #992705 15th May 2023 11:47am
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The Monkey



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They're 1500 pounds. It's money I don't have spare unfortunately.
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sako243



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For what it's worth I just used an old 110Ah starter battery from the Range Rover in mine for the fridge and a couple of auxiliaries via a split charge.

If you're on the move all the time it doesn't really matter as they'll be topped up continuously. We've done plenty of similar when guiding some offroad trips around Scotland and we could quite happily charge phones overnight, keep the fridge running and the CB during lunch stops etc., without any issue. I think we also left the fridge running for three or four days whilst we stopped off at my nans without any issue.

Apart from the split charge it cost nothing but a bit of time as I had the wiring and battery lying around. Capacity and battery type really only come into play if you're parked up for a long period. Ed
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Post #992807 16th May 2023 6:15am
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steveww



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The Monkey wrote:
They're 1500 pounds. It's money I don't have spare unfortunately.


Google is your friend here. I found my set up considerably less expensive than that.
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The Monkey



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sako243 wrote:
For what it's worth I just used an old 110Ah starter battery from the Range Rover in mine for the fridge and a couple of auxiliaries via a split charge.

If you're on the move all the time it doesn't really matter as they'll be topped up continuously. We've done plenty of similar when guiding some offroad trips around Scotland and we could quite happily charge phones overnight, keep the fridge running and the CB during lunch stops etc., without any issue. I think we also left the fridge running for three or four days whilst we stopped off at my nans without any issue.

Apart from the split charge it cost nothing but a bit of time as I had the wiring and battery lying around. Capacity and battery type really only come into play if you're parked up for a long period.


I'm doing similar! The fan we bought is rechargeable so only thing will be the fridge, awning lights 3watt and maybe charging a phone.
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Timcat



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Do you want the long or short answer?? Two questions, how deep are your pockets & how much use will the system get?

100-110ah AGM or similar will be absolutely fine for your needs depending on park up time & draw.

The Jackery type all in one units are also superb ( friends of ours are using that system as permanent travelers)

We have opted for dc-dc & 100ah lithium system which runs our set up as it is for days & days with the added help of solar. Total cost of our system was just over £1k plus the solar but that’s a permanent traveler set up.

If your planning on a weekend / week here & there you can achieve this with the 100 / 110ah std battery plus a basic split charge set up ( national Luna do a bomb proof system)

Hope this helps…
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Mo Murphy



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Don't overthink it Monkey. If it's a touring trip and if you are driving most days then a simple voltage sensing split charge system and a leisure battery will suit your needs. Simple, inexpensive and easy to replace parts in event of failure. Tempting though it is, don't rely on a single battery as if you stay anywhere for more than a couple of days, the fridge will flatten it.
An alternative to a second battery is a mains hook up if you are staying at large campsites, simply run the fridge on 230v whilst camping.
Mains hook ups can be had cheaply from plenty of reputable suppliers.
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jst



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as Mo said, keep it simple. 2 batts is plenty. if driving every day and its a decent fridge your do it off one decent battery.

my preference would be two batts, one starter and 2nd aux battery (i use Numax) on a split charge. my setup will do 3 days no engine run on CXV31 leisure for charging, lights, engel fridge. Cheers

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Post #994485 30th May 2023 12:06pm
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