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CSK



Member Since: 15 May 2019
Location: St Tropez
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France 2016 Defender 90 V8 Petrol Works V8 Auto Indus Silver
Blackson Chassis Rust Prevention Treatment
I have asked my dealer in the South of France to quote for various things on my Defender 110 (Puma December 2015).
The rear cross member is rusty, the air conditioning grilles at the front are corroded (the black paint has gone completely leaving a white powder corrosion), door mirrors are corroding, the little catches on the rear sliding windows are also showing signs of corrosion.
I have an official Land Rover warranty extension that runs through the end of 2021.
But all the items above I have been told will not be accepted as a warranty claim, my dealer is telling me these things are usually sorted free of charge the first three years but after that JLR doesn't want to know.
So I'm good to fork out to repaint the rear cross member, two new door mirrors and a new grille surround as the air conditioning grilles are not sold as a separate item.
Curious of anyone else's experience with these matters.
I have also asked my dealer to quote for some rust prevention treatment for the chassis.
When I spoke to my dealer they said they could Waxoyl the chassis, all very well as my dad used to Waxoyl his collector cars.
I have asked them to quote and on the written quote it appears the chassis treatment is done using "Blackson", never heard of that brand and curious as to the reason of this sudden change of brand.
Is Blackson an inferior product?
Anyone else heard of Blackson?
Any recommendations regarding rust proofing the chassis?
Thanks in advance for your contribution!
Post #816955 25th Feb 2020 9:12pm
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DSC-off



Member Since: 16 Oct 2014
Location: North East
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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green
All of your problems are typical for any late model puma Defender unfortunately.
I took mine in at 2 1/2 years old to get the things done I wanted, new side steps, windscreen frame painted and window blocks painted. The job done by the approved body shop was so good that I replaced the blocks a year later and now the frame is bubbling again.
I had the chassis waxoyled when new and painted the rear crossmember myself when it was 18 months old.

Don't pay for a new grill surround or to get it painted!
Stainless steel grills are available, unpainted or black powder coated.
Simply drill out the rivets and fasten the new grill in with stainless dome head hex screws.
Then, if you're fussy, paint the screw heads with a touch-up pen, so they don't stand out.

http://defenderupgrades.co.uk/product/land...el-grille/

Window catch corrosion can be fixed with these, bound to be better that trying to paint corroded ones,

https://www.optimill-uk.com/sliding-window-catch-covers.html
Post #816966 25th Feb 2020 9:41pm
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macfrank



Member Since: 05 Nov 2015
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Germany 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green
Blackson - despite it's name - seems to be a local French thing?, just like - despite it's name - Mike Sander in Germany (he's actually a German guy), and Dinitrol in the UK (well, that's Swedish Smile).
Doesn't answer your question but you may find more reviews in France.
Post #816992 26th Feb 2020 5:10am
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Joe the Plumber



Member Since: 18 Dec 2013
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2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 HT Fuji White
British vehicle? Use British products:

www.bilthamber.com

I used their Dynax range on mine from new in 2014, use it all year round and it has very little rust.

And as for Waxoyl. Hmm, just look at all the cars "protected" by it from the 1960s and 70s, still rust free and in daily use....
Post #816998 26th Feb 2020 6:47am
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CSK



Member Since: 15 May 2019
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France 2016 Defender 90 V8 Petrol Works V8 Auto Indus Silver
Thank you all for your advice.
Very much appreciated!
Post #817136 26th Feb 2020 9:40pm
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CharlieDonuts



Member Since: 16 Jun 2019
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France 2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Galway Green
You need wayoyl in St Tropez Shocked I have done my in Dinotrol. The 1st time I went to the UK and had it done. Now I just rattle can it in August. Outside chassis one year inside chassis the next. I'm in northern France. Its very very muddy here. I wish I lived in St Tropez. I fell in love with my girlfriend there. She kissed me on the boat that goes across the bay that we took to see the summer fireworks there.
Post #817154 27th Feb 2020 7:29am
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o4dn



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I would not advise to use Blackson for this, it traps moisture and the corrosion will continue underneath.

As other said, use Waxoyl or Dinitrol. I got mine professionally Waxoyl'ed in the UK 10 years ago and it's absolutely free of any corrosion.

I do top up from time to time though. But be aware, its a pig of a job to do it yourself! “A Land Rover immobilized is a moral defeat for the driver and bad publicity for the vehicle, […] it's up to you to do justice to your Land Rover!” - Land Rover Driving Technique.
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2009 2.4 Puma Defender 90 SW
1979 Land Rover Series 3 88"
Post #817186 27th Feb 2020 9:44am
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CSK



Member Since: 15 May 2019
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I've done a bit of research on Blackson and the feedback isn't very good, similar to what you said.
I'd like to do Waxoyl, I need to find someone who could do this for me down here.
Rust shouldn't be a problem in St Tropez but I don't stay there all the time.
I'm now in the Alps on ski holiday and it is snowing heavily, they do salt the roads so the chassis could do with some protection.


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Post #817228 27th Feb 2020 3:03pm
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discomog



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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Santorini Black
I'm sure Waxoyl -France will be able to recommend somewhere in the south for you to get the Defender treated.

https://www.waxoyl-france.com/?fbclid=IwAR...QVLMA-bHi0 Defender 90XS SW
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Post #817235 27th Feb 2020 3:58pm
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CSK



Member Since: 15 May 2019
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France 2016 Defender 90 V8 Petrol Works V8 Auto Indus Silver
Thank you!
I'm on Wrangler MTR's so wish me luck as we're heading back South on Saturday morning.
I haven't used the car since we arrived as the hotel is right on the ski slopes and there's a shuttle service to take you everywhere.
It has been snowing heavily and unless the weather changes and they clear the streets I will have to drive down a steep hill.
I walked it yesterday and under the snow there's sheet ice.
I think I'll put the gearbox in low range 1st gear which will save me applying the brakes!
Post #817239 27th Feb 2020 4:43pm
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boxoftricks



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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Zermatt Silver
Good luck heading down the mountain, I'm sure you'll be fine as long as you take it easy.
Post #817250 27th Feb 2020 6:24pm
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jst



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 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey
And difflock so you get engine braking on at least two tyres. Cheers

James
110 2012 XS Utility
130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper
90 2010 Hardtop
90 M57 1988 Hardtop
Post #817291 27th Feb 2020 9:22pm
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CSK



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Will do. Thumbs Up
Post #817296 27th Feb 2020 9:38pm
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CSK



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France 2016 Defender 90 V8 Petrol Works V8 Auto Indus Silver
Got back home OK.
Didn't put any diff lock or low range, just put it in 1st gear and slowly got down the icy hill without any problems whatsoever, not even the slightest hint of a slide.
The best 4X4Xfar!
I'll start to look at the nearest Waxoyl retailer.
Post #817630 29th Feb 2020 9:52pm
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