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Eduardo



Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Región Metropolitana
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Chile 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey
Defender doesnt start at the first try
Hi there!

Some days ago the key ring of the Defender key has broken and now the key are separated from the FOB.
My wife put the fob in the cubby cup holder to do not lost it.

After that the Defender doesnt start at the first try given the typical 2 beeps when you try to start and the alarm is not disable.
In order to start it she must to able and disable the alarm with the FOB and the Defender start without any fault.

It's possible that the distance between th cubby and the alamr will be too much to do not recognize the FOB or I have a serious problem?

In the meantime I ask her to put the FOB near the Alarm when she start the car to see if really this is the problem, but I like to be sure that is the problem or I have a gremlim.


Cheers! Eduardo

MY 2007 110 SW PUMA 2.4: Big Fog of 64'
MY 1994 Jayco 1207 Folding camper: "El Tremendo"

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Thon



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I find with mine that as long as I unlock on the fob, it will always start 1st time. If I leave it unlocked and then try to start however, depending on how many times I have restarted and how long it has been switched off, sometimes it will start if i first disarm on the fob button but sometimes will need to be locked on the fob and then unlocked / disarmed as if it had been parked and locked.

The point i'm trying to make is that it's not exactly predictable which you will get Smile I believe I read that the immobilizer can read the fob from 60cm away so maybe the cubby is a bit too far?
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blackwolf



Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
If you have the passive immobiliser armed (which it is by default) then the key fob must be near to the exciter coil in the steering column in order for the engine to start. Usually anywhere in the cab of the car is near near enough, but not always.

Try starting it whilst holding the fob in the position it would be is it was still attached tot he key (better still, reattach it to the key).
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wyvern



Member Since: 13 Dec 2009
Location: Cornwall
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United Kingdom 2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Firenze Red
Re: Defender doesnt start at the first try
Eduardo wrote:
Hi there!

....It's possible that the distance between th cubby and the alamr will be too much to do not recognize the FOB or I have a serious problem?...


Hi Eduardo
I had a similar thing happen when I had both my sets of keys on one key ring to sell the vehicle - the engine would not start .. so I removed the 2nd set of keys solved this straight away ...
the reverse was true as I tried to use the vehicle when only had the key on the ring and no fob, and again it wouldn’t start so put the key and fob back on to the same ring and it was all good again.
The fob must be close to the steering wheel binnacle to link to the ECU I believe so keeping it in the cubby made be a tad too far for the signal reach ...
hope that helps Poppy - TDCI (Puma) 110XS 2.2 - Camper conversion - see the build here - https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic56530.html
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Eduardo



Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
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Chile 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey
Thanks for the replies!
In fact, the problem was the distance between the coil and the FOB.
I've put the FOB near the steering colum and everything bacj to normal.

Cheers and thanks! Eduardo

MY 2007 110 SW PUMA 2.4: Big Fog of 64'
MY 1994 Jayco 1207 Folding camper: "El Tremendo"

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