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| discomog Member Since: 09 May 2015 Location: Notts/Lincs Border Posts: 2531   
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It's not a good advert for LRE and their instructors. Defender 90XS SW
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22nd Sep 2019 10:33am |
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| Slideywindows Member Since: 09 Sep 2016 Location: North Essex Posts: 1286 
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Don't think I've laughed so much in years!
Thanks for posting that Eric. It seems terrain response is rather choosy as to which terrain it wants to respond to. The degree of incompetence of the driver in the Range Rover was mind-boggling. So current offroad driving advice is: sit there with your foot on the throttle and your brain in neutral? This should be on a continuous video loop on the wall of every Main Dealer Reception...  |
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22nd Sep 2019 11:01am |
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| JOW240725 Member Since: 04 May 2015 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7908 
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Makes we want to get a winch! James
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22nd Sep 2019 12:38pm |
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| CharlieDonuts Member Since: 16 Jun 2019 Location: Illiers Combray Posts: 133  
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I might say that it doesn't look very deep that mud in Eric's video. I wouldn't think twice driving my truck through there in low range, diff lock, fast as necessary slow as you can - what have you. I don't quite understand why both the Discovery and the Range Rover got stuck ? Is it because they have road tyres ?
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22nd Sep 2019 9:36pm |
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| lohr500 Member Since: 14 Sep 2014 Location: Skipton Posts: 1321 
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Pretty sure it will be the tyres.
Muddy grass like that is a nightmare for road tyres as they just can't get any traction. Often see 4x4 SUVs and performance cars struggling in country show car parks with the same issue. Not helped by clueless drivers who think that just because they have 4 wheel drive, they are unstoppable. |
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23rd Sep 2019 8:33am |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753 
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It’s not a good advert for Land Rover’s “tread lightly” mantra - I bet that they didn’t go back and repair the ripped up ground they had damaged with all that wheel spinning. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
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23rd Sep 2019 8:47am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17492 
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In essence, yes, although ultimately the reason they got stuck was because of driver error (not understanding the ground conditions and vehicle capabilities - pretty shoddy behaviour for LRE drivers). You can't blame the vehicle for having unsuitable tyres, you can blame the driver for taking a vehicle with unsuitable tyres into those conditions. Notice that the Range Rover is not digging itself into the ground despite a adolescent-driver level of wheel-spin, which clearly indicates that the tyres are not gripping at all. If it had had mud tyres with aggressive treads and the wheels were spinning like that, mud would have been flung everywhere and the vehicle would just be going downwards. The absence of ejecta indicates that the tyres are not gripping at all. So two important learning points from this really. First, it is the aggressive nature of mud tyres that enables them to cut into the mud and gain traction and do what the road tyres cannot. Second, that same aggressive nature of mud tyres will result in much more substantial damage to the ground, especially if mud tyres are spun excessively. The correct course of action, in my view, would have been to stop the moment it was clear that neither the RR nor the Disco were able to drive out, and then pull them as happened, but without wither vehicle driving - just let them roll. There is nothing at all to be gained from having them uselessly spun the wheels during the recovery, and letting them just roll would have greatly reduced the ground damage. Note the tyre tracks in the foreground, clearly made by mud tyres with aggressive shoulders, which show no sign whatsoever of wheel-spin. |
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23rd Sep 2019 10:25am |
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| Stacey007 Member Since: 25 Sep 2015 Location: Cheshire Posts: 3776
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So we all have long beards.
Drive a Lan-Rover Drive a Crap Lan-Rover with no space The new one is Much better. Well that's a great in depth test.  What a muppet  |
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23rd Sep 2019 10:45am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17492
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Curiosity finally got the better of me, I started to watch the TG video. I managed about 20 seconds then had to shut it off.
What an utter pillock! |
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23rd Sep 2019 10:56am |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150 
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Yeah I'm also getting bored of the "beard-wearing real ale drinker" stereotype. That *may* be applicable to a handful of series owners but not usually Defender owners, most of whom are hip young things like myself, even though I do have a beard. I don't drink real ale though. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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23rd Sep 2019 1:27pm |
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| zilch Member Since: 11 Sep 2019 Location: Whitsundays & Sydney Posts: 820 
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like i said Eric, the person driving needs some nonce on how the tools correctly  |
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29th Sep 2019 2:35am |
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