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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17610   
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I know it isn't a joking matter, but I found this statement in the Mirror's report rather unexpected:
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27th Aug 2019 9:55pm |
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| windy81 Member Since: 14 Mar 2018 Location: North Wales Posts: 311  
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it works so well in the USA doesn't it ? |
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28th Aug 2019 7:42am |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4246 
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I've often wondered if a two phase approach to sentencing might work. On conviction, the first part of the sentence is punishment for the crime, intended to deter re-offending, no niceties. Then the second part is the rehabilitation bit intended to improve your chances once you get out. The length of each portion is independent of each other and is set by the judge at sentencing.
At the minute, they try to do both things at the same time which doesn't work. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS |
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28th Aug 2019 11:45am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5878  
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Actually it does. Urban criminality and ultra violence in the US (gang culture, murder, gun deaths) shouldn’t be confused with general levels of crime in the US. You’ll be far safer in most small-to-medium sized towns in the US from general levels of street crime than we see across the UK now. Big cities, the world over, are hard to police. Small towns in the US, with their own police, with their own ‘code’ of conduct etc, are very, very different to the UK. As an example a friend has just moved back from the US after 7 years and has moved to a like-for-like town in terms of size/wealth/social demography etc. I can’t remember the US town, but it was on the NY/Massachusetts border, the UK town Dorking. Not one incidence of anti-social behaviour or street crime witnessed in 7 years in the US, but a brawl outside a pub that spilled in to the street on his first weekend back in the UK. His 7 and 9 year old daughters loved it. In the US the local cops simply wouldn’t tolerate it and have an allowance for a certain level of tough justice. Clearly taken to extremes sometimes, especially Brian Dennehy against Rambo, but the threat that something may happen means medium-to-low level crime is lower in areas outside the big cities. That simply cannot be said for the UK where low level crime (robbery, theft, car crime, battery etc) is witnessed across the UK, most weekends. As another example, look at NI during the troubles. Clearly a violent place to be, especially as a copper or soldier. But 80 year old Mrs McShane wouldn’t be harassed by a gang of teens and have her pension stolen, because the youngsters would know the sh**storm that would rain down on them from the provos or loyalists if they did. Self policing, tough justice. The gangs of ‘yooves’ run the estates in the UK now, not the police and not the estate elders. Too much risk for the latter that they themselves would be treated as vigilantes if they took the law into their own hands to protect their turf for their community. In essence a free pass for the young street gangs who know the police won’t stop them either and if they do, they’ll get away with just a caution. Knock out an 80-year old for his £75 and get a suspended sentence and community service, which you don’t have to turn up to after you’ve signed on for day one, as the probation service doesn’t have the resources to chase you. In the UK policing and sentences (and I think the Policing is the greater issue) are shackled by a liberal media, liberal judiciary and generally liberal public etc. Crime will never be stopped, but a criminal would think twice about trying certain crimes if there was some ability for the five-0 to be a little sturdier in their approach. But rather than the public supporting a copper giving some thug a ‘clip round the ear’, now it would be filmed, put on YouTube and the officer would be suspended and ultimately lose their job. So, there is a complacency and freedom amongst crims to do what they want. And had the owner of the RR rocked up and tried-it-on, he (or she), could be at risk from the judicial system rather than being supported for trying to protect his hard-earned assets. Monsieur Le Grenadier I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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28th Aug 2019 12:11pm |
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| Procta Member Since: 03 Dec 2016 Location: Sunderland Posts: 5240
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This year sulisuli things have got right out of hand for some reason, I don't know what has sparked off, but as soon as we hit 2019. Everything has gone to hell! 3 people I know have had stuff stolen this year, my mate from school, his girlfriend had her Bmw mini stolen which was found burnt out, two days later. which was just last week. So Car thefts, have jumped up big time! We have even had a few shops been drove into for nothing! One shop was even set fire too, just down the road from me. Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back Success is 90% Inspiration and 4 minutes Preparation # you can make it! |
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31st Aug 2019 10:56pm |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6319  
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/\ what Mr grenadier said.
no country and no back one.....and I aint talking about the Pennines. |
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1st Sep 2019 4:16pm |
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| diesel_jim Member Since: 13 Oct 2008 Location: hiding Posts: 6134 
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^^^^^ +2 to Mr Grenadier
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1st Sep 2019 4:43pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3572 
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One of my colleagues went to Boomtown Festival in 2016 and this happened:- https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-37083532 He said it was quite obvious what had happened as the smoke from the fire was the give away. He said there were loads of people who didn't know their car had gone until the end of festival when they abandoned their tents and went back to their car. *I made the bit up about the tents, but it was probably true
It's probably in the terms and conditions of entry to nearly every event (and possibly most council car parks) that vehicles on the car park are left at the owners risk. |
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1st Sep 2019 7:28pm |
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| Sulisuli Member Since: 30 Oct 2016 Location: South west Posts: 4799 
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Thankyou for you detailed reply Dave hopefully Windy81 will see it does work 2015 HT XS 90
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1st Sep 2019 8:01pm |
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| Slideywindows Member Since: 09 Sep 2016 Location: North Essex Posts: 1295
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The only part of Grenadier's analysis I disagree with is his use of the word "liberal" to describe certain powerful elites
They have imposed their ideology on this country like the very best of tyrants. So much so, that very few people are now prepared to oppose them in public. Recently a "liberal" Oxford University professor began his reply to a question on TV with the words : "All right-thinking people will agree with me that......" So if you disagree with him you are "wrong thinking". Do you know what Hitler and Stalin did to "wrong thinkers"?  |
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1st Sep 2019 9:10pm |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5878
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Couldn't agree more Slidey. Very nasty bunch. Exactly as you point out with your Oxford prof example, if you don't think like them, you must be wrong-thinking, a snob, a racist, sexist, bigot, right wing, a global warming nay sayer, a meat eater or god forbid, a brexiteer. I'm by no means an apologist for any bigot, any person who cannot treat another person, black or white, male or female, gay or straight etc, as an equal. But at the same time, I do believe in freedom of speech. This is now drowned out by drum banging liberals and you are immediately typecast or labelled. On the Media, in politics, at universities, and certainly on Social Media. Say something even remotely contentious, or frankly just have a point of view that differs from theirs, and you are immediately drowned out by the din of the holier-than-thoughs.
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2nd Sep 2019 5:40am |
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