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90 Dreamer



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Well what did they use, wood bricks imported from timbuctoo on oil fired shipping or some other fantastic 'enviro' solution??

Ultimately all of the solutions to petrol /diesel at the moment simply move the enviromental impact elsewhere - yet to be convinced its not simply another money making exercise for the "few"
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Land fill for all the batters 5 to 10 years time Whistle and how meany EV can charge for PV with out having AC input or engine generated powered Question

150 kw 30 min charge 126 Amp at home Exclamation no wounder power utility seeing $£$$$££$£$£$$£$££$$£$£$%$£$$£$£$$£$£$$£
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The other bit that is missing is the domestic infrastructure. Most UK domestic supplies are rated to 100A or thereabouts. There is also diversification on top of that: ie the assumption isn’t that each house is pulling 100A all the time and the grid is sized accordingly. If we all had EVs and 150KW chargers, the grid couldn’t actually supply enough electricity. The fact that the roads aren’t being dug up to install new supplies means that those in the know, know that this is only a very short term answer.
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I have dibs on our original D3 to buy it back with the exact view to them convert it to EV for a local dog walking /tip run car. I’ve been exploring our I3 and will probably go with a written off one for the donor. Not looking for Tesla power, i3 is very nippy with 190ps and bags of torque. Might go for a range extender setup. 110 MY23.5 X Dynamic HSE
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90 Dreamer wrote:
Well what did they use, wood bricks imported from timbuctoo on oil fired shipping or some other fantastic 'enviro' solution??

https://electricinsights.co.uk/#/dashboard?_k=5176nv

Electricity production in the UK the past year:
Gas 39%
Wind 19.5%
Nuclear 18.5%
Imports (i.e. via cable) 8%
Biomass 6%
Solar 4%
Coal 3%
Hydro & pumped storage 2%

So 50/50 from carbon/carbon neutral sources, so could do better - but is a whole lot better than petrol/diesel!

BTW, for anyone interested, gas in the UK:
44% from UK production
47% European pipelines
9% shipped via tankers - which seems particularly harmful!

I do love a good stat! Embarassed
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Interesting stats. 2015 HT XS 90
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Mike c



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I certainly am interested and open minded to this in the future if need be to keep driving my Defender, but as said before, prices really need to come down dramatically for the conversions. Hopefully this will happen..

Also, surely converting existing vehicles has to be greener than buying new ones! Government please take note and consider grants for this in the future.... Flying pigs spring to mind Whistle
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90 Dreamer



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amazing how its 50 / 50 exactly............ Wink

what do they call these wood briquettes that they have been using as they don't seem to be on the list??
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That'll be biomass. If you follow the link that Ads90 posted, you can see it in more detail. The balance is clearly not 50/50 all of the time, but it's a good average at the moment and had been swinging steadily towards more renewables as new kit comes online. Darren

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Ads90



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90 Dreamer wrote:
amazing how its 50 / 50 exactly............ Wink

I rounded to nearest 0.5% - it's actually 50.35% carbon / 49.65% carbon neutral. Cool

But as Anorak says, it's just a snapshot of the last year between 10th Augusts, and it doesn't take in to account all the carbon generation from the manufacture & transportation of each fuel - I have no idea how that would skew it - probably a bit on both sides e.g. the shipping of gas v. installation & maintenance of offshore wind farms.

Electric car conversions are not going to solve anything as they are dwarfed by all the other carbon production in the world, but personally I think an electric motor is going to be a great improvement over my TDCi when the range is there and I find it affordable.

It's still all early days, (& infrastructure needs to catch up too), but in my mind the potential of increased torque, speed, simplicity, reduced noise & vibration, and lack of smoke/smell/toxic fumes, greasy diesel hands, egr issues etc. are all rather compelling.
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Zed



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Yep and other figures for 2018, presumably 1st Jan -31st Dec, quote 57% renewables including nuclear. Any way you look at it our reliance on fossil fuels for generating energy is seriously on the decline.
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90 Dreamer



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Not sure how you class Nuclear as 'renewable'.........would have thought after the recent Chernobyl series we should be running as far away as possible Mr. Green

Funny how the Envro's don't seem to take the toxic waste, transport or mining operations into consideration when telling us how 'clen' they are??

I would love to be able to use something 'green' but can't accept the pure spin that accompanies everything at the moment - they obviously think that if its shouted loud & long enough it will be accepted
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Zed



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Are you saying you don't want a vehicle which is cheaper to run, faster and more powerful because you don't believe they are as environmentally friendly as we are led to believe?

If so that would make you an "Envro". (sic)
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90 Dreamer



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I would have a more environmentally friendly vehicle IF everything was 100% proven but as usual there is so much bullucks & $$$ invovled we definately aren't there yet so i will sit on the fence for the time being.......

Also at the moment the only electric vehicles that are even remotely cheap are old milk floats and Chinese MG's - something remotely capable is currently out of reach of most 'normal' people

Pretty sure there is nothing on the market that approaches being able to tow at least 2tons and carry 1ton either.......
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