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| OsloBlue Member Since: 14 Jul 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 822   
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I’m looking at getting a land cruiser whilst retaining my defender... I'm on IG: https://www.instagram.com/osloblue42/
Current: TD5 '110 "Lucinda" Thread here: https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic62562.html  |
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15th Apr 2019 1:59pm |
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| discomog Member Since: 09 May 2015 Location: Notts/Lincs Border Posts: 2527 
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Like Pcoote I may end up buying a new Defender if it meets our needs but it will be a replacement for our Disco Sports, not a replacement for our Defender Defender 90XS SW
Mini Countryman Cooper S Morgan Plus 8 |
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15th Apr 2019 2:36pm |
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| Gone Bushy Member Since: 15 Apr 2019 Location: Peaks Posts: 8
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JLR have fallen a long way down the Rabbit hole.............3 words, Jimny, G-wagon, Wrangler
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15th Apr 2019 3:05pm |
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| LiftedDisco Member Since: 17 Aug 2014 Location: Towcester Posts: 353 
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Wow... so many words, so many opinions - even going as far as saying if you’ve bought another model, then it’s time to leave Def2!
It really is time to realise (and accept) that evolution has to take place - new Mini is a) no longer new; b) nothing like ‘old’ Mini and c) overall pretty much better than the original iteration! New Defender / Forthcoming Defender / Overdue Defender will be an absolute winner when it comes to off-road capability - I’ve followed prototype vehicles around Eastnor and have also done some extreme (very extreme) stuff with current LR product as absolutely ‘out of the box’ (3,000 miles on the clock, FFRR on road tyres...) that simply couldn’t have been undertaken with an original Defender. Sorry if that sounds like complete heresy, but it’s true... Would I want to maintain one in extreme conditions - hell, no but there were any number of folks who thought we were doomed when we went over from 300 Tdi to TD5 and similar moments of crisis when the D3 was originally launched and yet there are now many, many home maintained (and off-road equipped) D3’s to be found in daily use. Looks - I’ve been told (by someone who has seen the impending vehicle in the flesh, so to speak) that I will ‘like’ the new Defender but I’m quite likely to be keen to swap the D5 for one when we have a bit more news! I’m keen to see the progress and fully understand the commercial need to deliver vehicles for 2020 and beyond... dare I suggest that the next real challenge (and, I suspect, the reasoning behind the delayed launch...) will be getting a meaningful PHEV or fully electric version to function in a whole-world off-highway capability scenario... |
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15th Apr 2019 8:04pm |
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| mikelike Member Since: 31 Aug 2011 Location: new zealand Posts: 108 |
Yes , so as predicted the new Defender is a re bodied Discovery 5 .
Standard factory capability , but not very tuneable ! Premium durability ? Google Disco 5 problems , electronic nightmare ! Why a disco chassis ? Because Land Rover is cost cutting and does not have the means and inclination to develop a bespoke Defender that has tunability and bushability ! If this Defender is perceived to be another soft roader , all credibility is lost , and it will only scavenge sales from other JLR products . Talk to the Jeep boys and the most exciting thing about the new Jeep is the truck bed Gladiator . This by the way will be a huge success because this is what consumers are buying globally , double cab pick ups ! How is Land Rover going to make this , a one tonne carrying , 3.5 tonne pulling , truck bed successfully on a Discovery 5 chassis ? We all love the Defender 90 , but who is going to buy it , especially this at a premium ? We all buy a 110 for practical reasons of more luggage space etc , but the dimensions of the new Pretender do not look promising as far as a great leap forward on practicality reasons . Take the Evoque for example , the two door looked way better than the four door , but no one bought it and JLR dropped it . Are we going to see the Defender2 in the middle east in huge numbers , will we see it in the Australian bush in numbers , In Africa in numbers , or will we see it mainly in urban areas , close to dealers with scan tools and leafy suburbs ? |
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19th Apr 2019 10:57pm |
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| BogMonster Member Since: 05 Feb 2008 Location: Stanley Posts: 400  
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Snap, except it will replace the Shogun (or not). --- 2006 Defender 110 SW 300Tdi • 2011 Ford Ranger XLT crewcab • 2015 Defender 110 Station Wagon Utility TDCi |
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21st Apr 2019 3:48pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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Discovery Sport Up to £3,500
Discovery Up to £7,000 New Range Rover Evoque £1,000 Range Rover Velar Up to £4,080 Range Rover Sport Up to £1,000 Range Rover Up to £1,000 Interesting to see the Disco 5 have the highest dealer contribution in the latest marketing blurb I've received. A symptom of its poor sales? I'm just reading an article about the Bollinger B1 and can't help thinking this is exactly what I would want from the new Defender : "In short, the goal is to create a nondisposable truck: a 4x4 rugged enough to last for decades, simple enough for its owner to modify and flexible enough to evolve alongside rapidly advancing battery technology." https://autoweek.com/article/trucks/bollin...r-need-buy |
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3rd May 2019 12:58pm |
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| RDR Member Since: 27 Apr 2018 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 592
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I think it is, its been the best one to get discounts on at the dealer for sometime i managed almost 20% on my current when you unpick the deal - dealer contribution, LR contribution, inflated exchange on my trade in and "special" loyalty APR. Talking to dealer about a Defender x at the moment and the long lead-times i was offered a brand new 20 plate D5 same spec as my current for almost no cost to swap to tide me over. 110 MY23.5 X Dynamic HSE
RR MY23 HSE PHEV D5 MY19 HSE - Now Sold D4 MY16 HSE Luxury - Now Sold D4 MY12 HSE - Gone D3 MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten |
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28th Mar 2020 8:36am |
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| Morepower Member Since: 08 Jan 2013 Location: Fife, Scotland Posts: 630 
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@Supacat.... The D5 line was designed to build 150000 vehicles a year... since 2017, LR have sold 43000 2017... (probably incs late run out D4's) 43000 in 2018 and 35000 in 2019.... you can see there's an awful load of spare capacity... (Hence the New Defender being based on the D5).... It's also the reason why they are being offered at such knock down prices...
Regards Tim It doesn't matter how bad it is, It can always get worse... 2013 Bowler 110 (Sold) 2016 Bowler 90 Rally Spec (Sold) |
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28th Mar 2020 5:51pm |
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| Joe the Plumber Member Since: 18 Dec 2013 Location: Midlands Posts: 907 
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I think I saw one today. We were out for a walk and this generic blue modern LR was coming towards us. I assumed it was a Range Evoqery or something, but as it went past, from the back, with its spare on the door, it might have been one of the new ones.
Or not. |
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19th Apr 2020 10:50am |
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| adafish Member Since: 30 Mar 2009 Location: atherstone Posts: 1384 
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Spotted same one probably. I was on way back from dropping my 17yr old daughter into work, i was on M42 jct 9 Putting Dreams on Drives at JLR Solihull..
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21st Apr 2020 6:59pm |
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| Morepower Member Since: 08 Jan 2013 Location: Fife, Scotland Posts: 630
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Taymar Blue per chance? It doesn't matter how bad it is, It can always get worse...
2013 Bowler 110 (Sold) 2016 Bowler 90 Rally Spec (Sold) |
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21st Apr 2020 7:11pm |
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| Joe the Plumber Member Since: 18 Dec 2013 Location: Midlands Posts: 907
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No idea of the name of the colour, but mine was in the A6 in south Leicestershire heading towards Leicester.
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21st Apr 2020 7:25pm |
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