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| discomog Member Since: 09 May 2015 Location: Notts/Lincs Border Posts: 2530   
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My 2015 90 went through MOT with no problems at Duckworth's Market Rasen, but then being a main dealer I wouldn't have expected anything else. Defender 90XS SW
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14th Dec 2018 4:50pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4217 
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Being a Heritage, does that mean it is a 7 seat Station Wagon? If it is, I would expect it to be a passenger car and be Class 4. The weight limit of 3t is applicable to goods vehicles.
If it is a double cab or a Utility maybe it's different? I thought they were classed a dual purpose vehicles, which would also be Class 4 MOT. https://www.gov.uk/getting-an-mot/mot-test-fees 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS |
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14th Dec 2018 5:05pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17451 
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It's a very common misconception amongst MOT testers, but since legally it is a Dual Purpose Vehicle it should have a class 4 MOT.
I had a similar problem and ended up showing the tester the extensive correspondenceI have had with DVSA on the subject. I have also posted chapter and verse on this subject on this forum in the past, which you should be able to find by using the search facility. See here: https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic26921-49.html By the way, it is not a passenger vehicle, and it is not a goods vehicle, in law it is a Dual Purpose Vehicle, a fact which has many generally good consequences. Last edited by blackwolf on 14th Dec 2018 7:00pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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14th Dec 2018 5:31pm |
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| landy andy Member Since: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 5729 
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It’s not over 3t.
A Discovery 3 or 4 is. |
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14th Dec 2018 6:31pm |
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| Huttopia Member Since: 23 Feb 2016 Location: West Midlands Posts: 1972
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Thanks Blackwolf, much appreciated.
Huttopia |
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14th Dec 2018 7:16pm |
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| Tilly Member Since: 04 May 2016 Location: Grimsby Posts: 36 
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I had this last year. Local garage said they couldn’t do it after I had left it with them but said they will take it somewhere they know can do class 7 tests. I let them do what they needed to do.
Anyway when I collected it, looking over the MOT paper, it is down as class 4. 
Iirc, it was down to the weight why they couldn’t test it?. |
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15th Dec 2018 7:45am |
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| hafman Member Since: 28 Mar 2017 Location: W Sussex Posts: 81
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Some MOT garages don't have ramps strong enough to take 3 tonne plus cars.
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15th Dec 2018 9:36am |
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| landy andy Member Since: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 5729
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Just take it to someone who knows what they are doing. Next they will test the hand brake wrong or generally getting confused about a transmission brake.
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15th Dec 2018 10:06am |
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| ARC99 Member Since: 19 Feb 2013 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 1831 
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I the tester cannot read. The mass in service for my 2008 110USW on the V5C is 2075 kg the max is shown as 3050kg.
Someone on this forum brought up the same problem some years ago and caused a stir, I even questioned the Indie that has looked after my Land Rovers fort the last 25 plus years, her pointed out that some people just cannot read properly or just don't understand. Don't make old people mad. We don't like being old in the first place, so it doesn't take much to  us off.
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15th Dec 2018 10:34am |
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| Huttopia Member Since: 23 Feb 2016 Location: West Midlands Posts: 1972
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I’m currently at a different garage waiting for an MoT to be done on the 110 and funnily enough it will be done as a class 4 dual purpose vehicle. Assuming they actually start the test. Appointment at 11.00, so far it has just been driven into the bay. I suspect the boss man is on holiday, it’s like watching a film in slow motion.
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4th Jan 2019 11:36am |
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| OsloBlue Member Since: 14 Jul 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 823 
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I thought the GVW - the 1st no in vin includes fuel and all passenger seats occupied (I wonder what mass they consider occupied) but this is not the kerb/curb weight as that will be an unladen vehicle.
My GVW is 2950 KG but the kerb/curb wight is 2055kg empty 2950kg - 2055kg = 895 kg of load 93l tank @ 0.832kg/l = 77 kg 895kg - 77kg = 818 kg passenger capacity weight 818kg / 6.35 (conversion from kg to stone)= 128.8 stone Providing you have a 9 seater that allows a mixture of passengers with a mean mass off 14 stone. Curious that they can’t tell GVW from In service/curb/kerb weight. I'm on IG: https://www.instagram.com/osloblue42/ Current: TD5 '110 "Lucinda" Thread here: https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic62562.html  |
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4th Jan 2019 12:18pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17451
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There is a significant (legally very significant) difference between 'unladen weight' and 'kerb weight' (the latter now more commonly referred to as 'mass in service').
Unfortunately (1) there in no legal requirement for manufacturers to state the legal unladen weight of a vehicle, (2) there is no legal definition of the term 'kerb weight' and consequently it is left to the manufacturer to decide what additional weights above the ULW are included, and (3) the ULW is not recorded on any official database or document. "Mass In Service" is now recorded but historically was not, so isn't for many vehicles. It also has no relevence as far as C&U regs etc are concerned. Since the ULW (together with the GVW) is the legal basis for determining the legal classification of the vehicle, the MOT test class of the vehicle, and consequently the maximum speed limit and the tachograph/driver's hour status of the vehicle, this situation is somewhat unsatisfactory. Generally the term "unladen weight" means the weight of the empty and unladen vehicle, with no fuel, no tools/spares/spare wheel or othr loose parts. The term "kerb weight" is the unladen weight plus the weight of a driver, tankfull of fuel, plus the tools/spares/spare wheel etc routinely carried, but with no payload. Less clear in the case of vehicles like ours is how things like expedition racks, winches, spare wheel carriers, etc, fit in. As a general rule I suspect that if it is bolted on it counts towards "unladen", if not then "kerb". I am however not aware of any legal ruling or precedent to support this view. |
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4th Jan 2019 1:33pm |
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| OsloBlue Member Since: 14 Jul 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 823
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Very enlightening blacksheep
This definition then may throws out my calculations as I don’t know whether it is an ULW or kerb/curb weight. I still find it strange that they would class it is in a class but is still under the 3 tonne mass. Mind you I wouldn’t be surprised if some Luton box or high top overhead vans are under 3 tonne I'm on IG: https://www.instagram.com/osloblue42/ Current: TD5 '110 "Lucinda" Thread here: https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic62562.html |
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4th Jan 2019 2:16pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17451
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"Blacksheep"!
If your figures are from JLR they'll be kerb weight and include a 70kg driver and full (or 90% full) fuel tank. You'll find most light vans are under 3.5 tonnes GVW so that they don't require a cat C1 or C license. An N1 Defender would be a Class 7 MOT test if it wasn't a 'dual-purpose vehicle'. It is its DPV status that makes it Class 4. |
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4th Jan 2019 2:47pm |
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