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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6324   
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am I missing something here......theft ! ?
shouldn't it be murder or is someone going to explain that they low life didn't intend to steal the truck, drive recklessly or try to avoid the police.....let me guess it was all intentional ....... the truck owner was a demon and they had to take truck off him to greater good of the world or some other dreamed up bullsh1t story to get them off murder through diminished responsibility. I'm still trying to weigh up whether it pays to gamble on not having the insurance and save myself a few quid. with 1 in 5 not doing the right thing who's the fool ? sorry perhaps this should have been in the grumpy thread? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-45546289 |
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17th Sep 2018 6:45pm |
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hell! they practically took the house out! Why the | Kit Member Since: 12 Feb 2016 Location: Shropshire Posts: 1110  
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Well it wouldn't be murder unless they stole the truck with the purpose of killing someone and i'm guessing the reason why they're not going for manslaughter is something to do with the police pursuit? 1993 200 Tdi 90 CSW
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17th Sep 2018 7:18pm |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6324
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If you deliberately drive one of them things recklessly there's a good chance someone is going to end up dead....a bit like stabbing someone with a knife....they're likely to end up dead.
care to explain the difference. a bit like this; https://uk.yahoo.com/news/seafront-jogger-...15291.html the sentence appears to be similar to what some of these tow rags get when they steal a vehicle - a few hours community service and a 12 month ban (when they don't even have a license) and this lady ended up is this mess through a complete accident - a granted a little stupidity but she didn't set out deliberately on a path of inevitable destruction? |
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18th Sep 2018 9:11am |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8582
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Please note comment the police made!
Aggravated vehicle taking is punishable by up to 14 years imprisonment. Causing death by dangerous driving is punishable by up to 14 years imprisonment. Brendan |
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18th Sep 2018 9:20am |
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| Huttopia Member Since: 23 Feb 2016 Location: West Midlands Posts: 1978
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Intent. If you carry a knife and stab someone, you intend to cause them harm including the possibility of death. If you steal a vehicle and drive recklessly there is a chance of causing someone harm but you did not set out with that intent.
If anyone is genuinely interested, I can recommend the book by the Secret Barrister, Stories of the Law and How It's Broken. It deals in facts and should be mandatory reading for anyone who bangs on about judges going soft, sentencing being a joke, prisons being a holiday camp etc etc. It is quite easy to end up in the criminal justice system. There but for the grace of god....... Political bad faith and swingeing cuts have a lot to answer for. And the Daily Mail obviously. |
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18th Sep 2018 10:23am |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6324
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many thanks Leeds.
makes some sense. still think it would be better to have a firing squad. anyone care to guess how much it costs the tax payer to have a trial and send 4 to55ers down for 14 years? |
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18th Sep 2018 10:34am |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6324
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. so if walk into the local shopping mall on a Saturday afternoon with a mini gun and let rip and a hundred bystanders get in the way then I'm up for manslaughter cos I was only experimenting to see what might happen and hadn't planned to kill anyone particularly  ......   |
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18th Sep 2018 10:37am |
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| Huttopia Member Since: 23 Feb 2016 Location: West Midlands Posts: 1978
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No, you'd clearly intended to kill.
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18th Sep 2018 10:39am |
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| diesel_jim Member Since: 13 Oct 2008 Location: hiding Posts: 6158 
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It shows how badly (weak) new houses are built doesn't it? the place nearly split in half.
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18th Sep 2018 11:30am |
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| Retroanaconda Member Since: 04 Jan 2012 Location: Scotland Posts: 2715 
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This thread also shows how little many people understand about our justice system and why it is the way it is
Typical nonsensical raving based on perceptions of reality driven by ignorance (and tabloid journalism) rather than proper education and knowledge. |
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18th Sep 2018 1:34pm |
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| Slideywindows Member Since: 09 Sep 2016 Location: North Essex Posts: 1303
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It is called the "criminal justice system".
Not "the victim justice system". Everything that is wrong with it starts there. |
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18th Sep 2018 8:32pm |
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| Huttopia Member Since: 23 Feb 2016 Location: West Midlands Posts: 1978
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In Western Europe we are third only to Turkey and Russia in terms of the numbers of people in prison. It costs roughly £85 a day per prisoner and there are circa 85,000, so is that about £7.25m a day? We don’t have higher crime rates than comparable countries but choose to lock up more people for longer for minor offences. I’m not arguing that is right or wrong, the recidivism rates speak for themselves, 46% of all prisoners will reoffend in one year from release, 60% on a short sentence will reoffend in the same period. By any objective measure that isn’t a system that works, and £7.25m a day is a lot of money to spend on a failing system.
‘The degree of civilisation in a society is revealed by entering its prisons’. Not that many years ago I had the pleasure of working in a prison near Oxford, trying to turn around the performance of the healthcare services. It was a glimpse of utter, utter misery, and it was a relatively new prison. Nothing positive could come from that environment - the prisoners were dead eyed, staff bullying was endemic and the prison officers worked to rule to kill off any attempt at reform. It don’t think it got many stars on TripAdvisor either. |
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18th Sep 2018 9:13pm |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6324
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11th Oct 2018 5:11pm |
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| Procta Member Since: 04 Dec 2016 Location: Sunderland Posts: 5259
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16 years ago when I was a teenager, We wouldn't even have thought about stabbing someone, People at school had a punch up and that was it, one of my schools it was that bad you could read the crowd that there was a fight going to kick off. Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back
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