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Kez



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Arrived, fitted (amazingly thanks to you guys without a hitch) and now working, still on first tank so not calibrated (giving frighteningly low instant MPG readings - so hope it is wrong_. Anyhow, quick question, says i have to select diesel type a or b, anyone know what normal UK stuff is (ie,BP / Tesco et al)
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party monkey



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AFAIK, UK Diesel isn't graded either a) or b), so I wonder if this option allows you to switch between two brands - say BP vs Supermarket, so you can see if you are getting better economy with a particular brand ? Or perhaps its for comparing normal diesel vs super duper 'ultimate' diesel ?

Does the manual give any clues ? Jon - 110 td5 [sold]. Currently Defenderless.
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Taken from the Scangauge II manual....
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DIESELa and DIESELb do not refer to different types of diesel fuel.
They only affect the way fuel consumption is computed and are selected
based on the way the vehicle computer reports its sensor information.
Most diesel vehicles use the DIESELa setting. To determine which
your diesel vehicle uses, do the following:
With ENGINE SIZE set, DIESELa chosen for fuel, the engine
warmed up to operating temperature and idling in neutral or park, select
GAUGE and make one of the gauges show RPM and another show GPH.
Note the GPH value. Next, use the throttle to raise the engine RPM to
about 1500 RPM. If the GPH reading increased, you have a DIESELa
vehicle. If the GPH dropped or stayed the same, you have a DIESELb
vehicle and should change the Fuel Type to DIESELb.

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Kez



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Got you - then i guess everyone with a Puma and using a scanguage must know the answer Shocked
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party monkey



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Kez wrote:
Got you - then i guess everyone with a Puma and using a scanguage must know the answer Shocked


I thought same, but then perhaps we're both forgetting that we are talking about Landrovers Whistle

As an aside, I just rang the company to ask about whether this would work on a Td5, (I see no reason why not as I have the OBI- WAN KENOBI socket). Their tech support chap is on hols until next week.

Anybody see any reason why this shouldn't work on a 2005 Td5 ? - I seem to think that in the past I read that Scanguages didn't like Td5's.... Jon - 110 td5 [sold]. Currently Defenderless.
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Its something to make you more of a 'hypochondriac' and another thing to distract you from the road ahead...
I love mine Shocked

Joking !!


I once helped build a Warrior off road racer, we had a problem with keeping the running temperature down, the guy who makes the spaceframes was called about our concerns..
He said ''cover the temperature gauge up with tape'' Thumbs Up
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Are these good for diagnostics though? I know it says you can read and reset codes but am I correct in thinking that you need something else to translate the code so you know what the fault is? John

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JSG wrote:
Are these good for diagnostics though? I know it says you can read and reset codes but am I correct in thinking that you need something else to translate the code so you know what the fault is?


The scangauge only shows tested DTC's which illuminate the MIL light. The ford dtc fault code list is on here if you do a search, it was uploaded by dgardel. Thumbs Up
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Thanks for that - I'll search for it.

I'd like a decent diagnostic tool for the Puma when it arrives - if it could do a TD5 as well that would be a bonus. John

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party monkey



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Have had a response back from some other chap at the OBD UK crowd. They tell me the Scanguage II won't work on a Td5. They didn't elaborate as to why.

Just dug back through an old post of mine and our diagnostics guru (aka Lorryman) had already told me this on a post a few months back..... Bow down Bow down I had a niggling feeling that somebody had told me already... Must pay more attention in class Very Happy Jon - 110 td5 [sold]. Currently Defenderless.
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Hi !

This maybe a stupid question ... Embarassed ... What is the diference between the ScanGauge and NanoCom ? Regards
Joao

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Lorryman100



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lrmaniac wrote:
Hi !

This maybe a stupid question ... Embarassed ... What is the diference between the ScanGauge and NanoCom ?


The scanguage is basically a monitoring tool with the ability to clear tested DTC's. It allows you to monitor rpm/engine load/MPL/LPH/coolant temp (cylinder head)/MAP/TPS/MPH and a lot more all in a small package that is easy to mount permanently in the vehicle.
The Nanocom does give you readings on some system info but it is more of a diagnostic machine dealing with Puma engine/Instrument cluster/10AS Alarm and Wabco ABS. I also wouldn't leave the nanocom mounted in the vehicle as it could be used to aid in the theft of the vehicle Whistle Plus it's size makes mounting quite difficult for a clean install IMHO.


HTH Brian.
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Lorryman100



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JSG wrote:
Thanks for that - I'll search for it.

I'd like a decent diagnostic tool for the Puma when it arrives - if it could do a TD5 as well that would be a bonus.


Have a look at the Nanocom Evolution available from Blackbox solutions as you can have the Puma and TD5 version in one unit.
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Thumbs Up Thank you Lorryman!

Just one last question ... what are tested DTC's ?

sorry for the topic hijack ... Embarassed Regards
Joao

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Lorryman100



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Taken from another post I did Thumbs Up


Lorryman100 wrote:


Thought I would try and explain the differences in DTC codes. So here goes:

There are basically two types of DTC codes for OBDII Diagnostics:

Emissions related DTC's, Tested DTC's
Type A

1. Emissions related.
2. The Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) will be illuminated as soon as the error occurs.
3. Stores a freeze frame DTC after one failed driving cycle.( history DTC is stored )

Type B

1. Emissions related.
2. Sets a Pending Trouble Code after one failed driving cycle.
3. Clears a Pending Trouble Code after one successful driving cycle.
4. Turns on the MIL after two/three consecutive failed driving cycles.
5. Stores a Pending Trouble Code as a DTC after two consecutive failed driving cycles.

Conditions for Clearing the MIL/DTC – Type A or Type B

The MIL will turn off after four consecutive driving cycles in which the diagnostic runs without a fault.
A history DTC will clear after 40 consecutive warm up cycles without a fault.
DTC(s) can be cleared by using a scan/diagnostic tool.

Non–Emissions Related DTCs, Un Tested DTC's

Action Taken When the DTC Sets

1. The Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) will not illuminate.
2. The ECM will record a DTC at the time the diagnostic fails.

Conditions for Clearing the DTC

A history DTC will clear after 40 consecutive warm up cycles without a fault.
DTC(s) can be cleared by using a scan/diagnostic tool.

How to read a DTC Code

The DTC value will help you narrow down the specific component or module in question. A DTC has a standardized format that can be interpreted as follows:
The first part of the DTC is the Alpha Designator. The alpha designator will be:

B - Body electronics (i.e., door and hood latches)
C - Chassis (i.e., traction control or ABS)
P - Powertrain (i.e., engine, transmission)
U - Network communications for the different control modules

Second Digit - Code Type
The second digit identifies whether the code is a generic code (same on all OBD-II equpped vehicles), or a manufacturer specific code.

0 = Generic (The diagnostic codes that are required by law on all OBD II systems are "generic" in the sense that all vehicle manufacturers use the same common code list and the same 16-pin diagnostic connector. Thus, a P0301 misfire code on a Ford means the same thing on a Vauxhall, Citroen, Toyota or Mercedes.)

1 = Enhanced ( Each vehicle manufacturers also have the freedom to add their own "enhanced" codes to provide even more detailed information about various faults. Enhanced codes also cover non-emission related failures that occur outside the engine control system. These include ABS codes, HVAC codes, airbag codes and other body and electrical codes.)

Third Digit - Sub-System

The third digit denotes the type of sub-system that pertains to the code

1 = Emission Management (Fuel or Air)
2 = Injector Circuit (Fuel or Air)
3 = Ignition or Misfire
4 = Emission Control
5 = Vehicle Speed & Idle Control
6 = Computer & Output Circuit
7 = Transmission
8 = Transmission
9 = SAE Reserved
0 = SAE Reserved

Fourth and Fifth Digits
These digits, along with the others, are variable, and relate to a particular problem code error number

So let's diagnose a DTC, I've picked P0404-73 EGR control circuit range/performance: actuator stuck closed

so we have:
P = Powertrain (engine, transmission)
0 = Generic
4 = Emissions control
0 4 =This is the specific error code within Emission control. In this case the EGR control circuit range/performance
-73= This is a specific problem, in this case the actuator is stuck closed. 74 means its stuck open.
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