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| Philm Member Since: 19 Jun 2020 Location: Manchester Posts: 176  
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There are recalls for the Pivi Pro and the steering, mine goes in on Tuesday for them.
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8th Aug 2020 2:56pm |
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| J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3436 
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I’m considering changing to the 110, my salesman showed me Tasman Blue base model on steel wheels that was in their compound. I liked the colour, perhaps an acquired taste but I thought looked. Apparently they’ve got Tasman Blue/white/steel wheel car arriving in the the next month or two. I’ll still wait to try a 90 but I’m more leaning towards a 110 just for the extra practicality.
It’s tight in the drive though  Click image to enlarge The dealer disconnected the battery and so far all seems well. Apparently the car I had is out all week on Demos. |
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8th Aug 2020 3:01pm |
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| Smilesapart Member Since: 28 Sep 2013 Location: Suffolk Posts: 735
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Isn’t it disappointing. All of us, especially those of us actually buying these Defenders want the brand to do so well. We love their brand, we love their products, were even prepared to pay our hard earned money on them again and again, time after time in the hope that finally Land Rover have got to grips with their quality issues and yet here we are with history repeating itself yet again.
The Defender we tested also has little rattles in the two front doors and when we mentioned it the salesmen did say with a smile it appears to be a Defender character trait! To be fair unless we were sat in silence it was undetectable and certainly not bad enough to put us off. But still it was there. And if it is on my one when it arrives and they think I’m going to let it drop without it being rectified then they are going to be sorely disappointed!! What is it with this brand? Why can’t they sort this out? If it’s a Defender trait it should have been sorted before the launch ffs!!!! Not just shrugged their shoulders and said let’s call it a Defender character trait! Sold the Puma Defender and bought a brand new Pangea Green 2020 Defender D240 S with a few factory extras! |
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8th Aug 2020 3:05pm |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753 
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The salesman should not be saying that sort of thing, this is a clean sheet, ground up new vehicle and costs a lot more than the utility vehicle it replaces. It should be perfect when pre-sales testing is completed, JLR are reverting to BMC/ARG by letting the customers finish off the testing once they’ve bought one. I never had the issues on new L332 RR’s, RRS’s or Evoques as I’m getting on this car. In total my 1st Evoque which was a very early production car had a problem with wind noise on the front doors - but that was the sum total of faults since taking delivery of those new models since 2003.
Yesterday evening I was coming down the motorway at the speed limit and heard a noise like I was driving through clouds of bugs when they hit the screen/ front of the car except there were no bugs hitting the screen! I assume that this must be the A pillar trim vibration that has become a recall and I thought my car wasn’t suffering from........... at least my replacement trims are on order (delivery date unknown as they are on back order!) Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! Last edited by Tim in Scotland on 8th Aug 2020 3:38pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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8th Aug 2020 3:37pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4748 
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As these faults are well known you would assume they would be rectified as part of the PDI for vehicles already in the system. For vehicles still at the factory you would assume the faults would be rectified before shipment.
Surely these faults must have been extant during all of that testing they did. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel 1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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8th Aug 2020 3:37pm |
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| Smilesapart Member Since: 28 Sep 2013 Location: Suffolk Posts: 735
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Absolutely
This is all so frustrating! You just want to meet the CEO and just ask “what the hell are you doing allowing these issues to keep happening!!“ And why? I sometimes wonder if maybe all new cars have a fault here and there now they are so complex. I know certainly the brand new Golf Gti I bought in 2017 had a couple of electronic glitches with the radio and with phone connection issues. But when you look at the Manufacturers Surveys that get carried out each year, Jaguar and Land Rover rarely fair well in Reliability or in Dealership Satisfaction. Each year I think well they will be so horrified by this that they will be having huge meetings and working out how to reverse these results for the following year. But no!! Anyway time will tell with this new one. To be fair our Freelander 2 is wonderful and seems to be Very reliable (touch wood). That’s what we changed the Golf for after a year! A used Freelander Sold the Puma Defender and bought a brand new Pangea Green 2020 Defender D240 S with a few factory extras! |
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8th Aug 2020 4:44pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4748
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In Ireland...
https://www.carzone.ie/new-cars/land-rover...ty-vehicle 1982 88" 2.25 diesel 1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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8th Aug 2020 11:14pm |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753
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The number of variants to suit different markets is staggering - Ireland gets a P400 First Edition, US is getting some variations on the U.K. market too, Australia has lower specced versions of the P400 which at present isn’t even on sale here and then is only available as the Defender X. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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9th Aug 2020 5:27am |
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| zilch Member Since: 11 Sep 2019 Location: Whitsundays & Sydney Posts: 823 
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no idea why Land Rover did not release the P400 in lower specs in the UK, seems baffling. The P400's in Ireland are not cheap though, the P400 SE from the website Spud put up is the equivalent of $164K Australian, you can get a P400 SE in Australia on road (with no extras) for $115K, so nearly $50K Aussie difference  or 25K of her majesties squids thereabouts. yet another pommie bar steward down under
MY20 110 P400 SE Defender MY10 3.0 RR Sport |
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9th Aug 2020 5:45am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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When you say "recall" do you mean that it's a full motor industry /Govt recall or is it more of a Technical Service Bulletin/Servive Message? |
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9th Aug 2020 6:19am |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753
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Zilch, it would be interesting to see the pre-tax prices. Eire has huge taxes on new carslike many EU countries, especially on big engines and diesels Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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9th Aug 2020 6:32am |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753
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I cannot see how Privi Pro would be a “danger to life/ safety “ item needing a recall - suspect both these are TSB. Philm - is th eteering one for the over intrusive Lane Assist system because mine is switched off as much as I can go down through the layers but it still cuts in which is a pain on the narrow roads around here where our generous council has white lined the road edges along the verge Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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9th Aug 2020 6:37am |
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| Philm Member Since: 19 Jun 2020 Location: Manchester Posts: 176
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The dealer told me there were recalls for the Privi, known problems. The steering is for the pump taking its time starting when you start the car.
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9th Aug 2020 6:57am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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From 3rd Oct 2019:
Here's a thought ~ Maybe those of you buying the vehicle are actually contributing to the problem in the sense that your money is helping maintain the status quo or even allow those responsible inside the company to feel things aren't as bad as some people say. Sometimes you have to drain the water to see the rocks. If nobody bought a vehicle because of poor quality can you imagine the priority the issue would be given? There's undoubtedly people within the company trying to put issues right, but being denied the resources/opportunity to do so because the status quo and vested interests are hard to move. The termoil of zero or near zero sales could be the catalyst for the real change needed at the pace required. There's also something quite quixotic about giving someone £50k for a vehicle you know has rattley doors, whistling A pillars, blanking screens, spurious alarms and expecting the one they give you to be perfect. |
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9th Aug 2020 7:05am |
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