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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17516   
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Wow, that one at the front (on the right) looks startling at a glance! Good thing it's got the square bits to anchor its verticality. |
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19th Mar 2020 12:22pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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A slightly different slant: "The activities related to the start of the Defender production will continue to an inevitable extent, Remenárová added" . https://spectator.sme.sk/c/22361840/jaguar...nitra.html |
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19th Mar 2020 1:03pm |
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| J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3420 
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Accessory fitting instructions now online
http://accessories-instructions.landrover.com/enUSA/new-defender |
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24th Mar 2020 1:56pm |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2646  
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first reviews are out!
-- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged 
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ Last edited by Naks on 25th Mar 2020 1:50pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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25th Mar 2020 7:07am |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2646
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this is probably the most balanced review that I've read (so far): https://jalopnik.com/2020-land-rover-defen...1842433433
"Verdict ... As for the 2020 Land Rover Defender, yes, it’s a genuinely impressive 4x4. It’s a practical, comfortable vehicle that can also traverse some of the roughest terrain I’ve ever encountered. That’s pretty much what Land Rover wants to be, but it’s also antithetical to what makes a classic Defender so much fun. An old Land Rover makes short trips to the store feel adventurous because there’s noise, smells, lots of wind, and focus required to keep the thing from wandering off into the wrong lane. The jouncing and rattles make you feel like you’re on the Indiana Jones ride at Disney. There are fewer gauges than a lawn tractor has. That vehicle’s soul is a byproduct of its primitive nature, and that simply cannot be replicated while also optimizing noise, vibration, and harshness for road comfort. In other words, the new Defender doesn’t suck enough to offer the novelty of archaic technology. All I’m trying to say is: If you want “an old Defender but with better safety features,” the closest new thing is still going to be a Jeep Wrangler. But if you want a great mix of off-road capability, modern tech features, and comfort that gives you the confidence to set off on an indefinite overland expedition at the drop of a pith helmet, the 2020 Defender’s pretty cool." -- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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25th Mar 2020 7:25am |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2646
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Click image to enlarge -- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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25th Mar 2020 7:48am |
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| RDR Member Since: 27 Apr 2018 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 595
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Just watched a few, looking forward to some further hands on verdicts but as I expected I think it looks great and clearly capable on and off-road. 110 MY23.5 X Dynamic HSE
RR MY23 HSE PHEV D5 MY19 HSE - Now Sold D4 MY16 HSE Luxury - Now Sold D4 MY12 HSE - Gone D3 MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten |
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25th Mar 2020 8:04am |
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| lohr500 Member Since: 14 Sep 2014 Location: Skipton Posts: 1322 
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Even though we are all staying at home to help do our bit, I just can't be a***d to watch or read any of the reviews.
I'm sure they will all conclude that it is extremely competent off-road and has vastly improved on-road manners than its predecessor. I could have written the script, taken some photos in a Yorkshire quarry and saved JLR a fortune. |
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25th Mar 2020 9:02am |
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| RDR Member Since: 27 Apr 2018 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 595
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agreed I think they could have saved some money but that said I think they were in a rock and hard place with it. They were getting a lot of flack from the mule teaser videos about it not being capable and them not showing it testing on "this pass" and "that pass" plus the pee taken about shots on a farm track they bowed to pressure. They will never win with any of it, the hands on reviews will be better. 110 MY23.5 X Dynamic HSE
RR MY23 HSE PHEV D5 MY19 HSE - Now Sold D4 MY16 HSE Luxury - Now Sold D4 MY12 HSE - Gone D3 MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten |
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25th Mar 2020 9:48am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17516
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Some pretty limp accessories there, not manly at all! Wow, a Defender First Aid kit! |
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25th Mar 2020 9:50am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17516
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It always intrigues me how the manufacturer derives these figures. The only way that the figure for a classic Defender can be so low is if either they assume it is being driven by a neophyte or it is doing it on a daily basis (the latter resulting in water ingress into axle tubes etc). We have all seen pictures and videos of completely standard classic Defenders in water with a static depth well above the tops of the wheels, and a bow wave that peaks at bonnet level and drops below the (stupidly-placed) air intake, but these are being driven by those who know what they are doing. It would be interesting to do a comparative test with a skilled driver and three bog-standard vehicles as above, since i think the results might show a greater similarity, and then a similar test with a typical hire car driver, which is where I think the figures above might match. Even my old 80" Series 1, with no modifications whatsoever except a plastic sack shut in the front edge of the bonnet, has been through floodwater deep enough to flow over the wing-tops (and fill my wellies as I drove it). I'm surprised that the new Defender isn't floating at 35" as above, although I guess if the trick suspension raises it it probably wouldn't. I bet the bill when you flood it completely is greater in the new one! |
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25th Mar 2020 9:59am |
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| Francisr Member Since: 27 Mar 2020 Location: Le Grand-Bornand Posts: 3 
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I am very interested to buy a new 90 or 110, however the Carbon Tax on these vehicles would be around £15K (€20k) in France, hence I will wait for a PHEV hybrid version. But I don't know when it will be available and wondering what will be the specs.
Thank you |
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27th Mar 2020 7:41am |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2646
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The most comprehensive/detailed review so far: https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-driven...view/42091
warning: it's a long read! -- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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27th Mar 2020 7:42am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5877 
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^^^. Certainly a long read. Sounds like they had fun. Very jealous.
And clearly it’s a very, very (the most?) capable off roader, but is it a Defender? At £97,000 no. Nor is it in sentiment: Here’s a summary of why Wilks first developed the original. ‘The first Land Rover, known as the Series 1, was the brainchild of Maurice Wilks, the head designer for the British car company Rover, of which his brother Spencer Wilks was the managing director. Maurice Wilks used an old American-made Willys-Overland Jeep to do work at his farm in England. However, the Jeep was plagued by mechanical problems and Wilks decided to design a more reliable vehicle. He intended it to be used for farm work and be more versatile than a tractor. The resulting Land Rover, known as the Series 1, had a boxy, utilitarian design, four-wheel drive and a canvas roof. Such features as passenger seat cushions, doors, a heater and spare tires were initially considered extras and cost more. The rugged Land Rover was well-received by the public and ended up being used not just for agricultural work, but by police forces, military organizations, aid workers in remote places and travelers on expeditions where road conditions were poor or non-existent. In 1976, the 1 millionth Land Rover rolled off the assembly line in Solihull, Birmingham, England.’ The new Defender doesn’t meet any of Wilks’s original sentiments. There’s certainly a place for this vehicle in LR’s stable, a more luxurious/comfortable/every-day-usable 4x4, but that’s what the Discovery was created for and that’s what this should have replaced. There still needs to be a far more utilitarian 4x4 in their stable and this is what has been entirely forgotten (ignored). Monsieur Le Grenadier I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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