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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018   
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I think the external styling has been done by these guys - they have form:
https://www.megaflatables.com/inflatable-cars/  Click image to enlarge |
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18th Dec 2019 8:25am |
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| chalky Member Since: 09 May 2008 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 483 
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I’m obviously in the minority here as I’ve never put a defender in a garage at home ? I can also say that I already have a car in my garage so even if I did want to park it up I couldn’t, so it’ll stay on the drive. Where land rovers have been parked for 25 years.
Every else I know uses their garage for storing crap they don’t want in their house. And who in their right mind would moan about the new car being bigger, I don’t get it, for a start in case again the only one missing the point, the “NEW” one is replacing the 110? The little one parked behind us a 90. This is smaller than a 110. If you replace the “NEW” one with an “OLD” one in that picture then even the most hard of sight could see the discrepancies between the length oF the two older vehicles. And to most the most uncomfortable vehicle any smaller ? Who or why would you even want to ? I don’t get why every one is moaning about the new one being bigger ? DEFENDER XS CSW 08 TONGA GREEN |
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18th Dec 2019 8:51am |
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| milesr3 Member Since: 12 Feb 2013 Location: Suffolk Posts: 873 
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The future just arrived; https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-german...-sav/41534
"So that range increase has come about through making the batteries better, not just bigger...BMW is using the latest evolution of NMC-811 battery technology for the greatest energy density"..."More efficient cells also mean smaller batteries, less weight and less impact on space...this iX3 apparently has the same passenger space as a conventionally powered one"..."the ratio between motor output and what the whole assembly weighs said to have been improved by around 30 per cent" |
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18th Dec 2019 10:45am |
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| milesr3 Member Since: 12 Feb 2013 Location: Suffolk Posts: 873
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18th Dec 2019 11:52am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Look at the relative size of the doors ~ there should be no difference comparing old 90 to new 110 in that regard. The new doors appear to have a double seal arrangement with each seal a good few inches apart. This may explain why they are that size. The lower door edge on the new vehicle is much lower than the old which stops at the sill, whilst the new one comes down to encase the sill. Does this make a difference? Open a door in any car park and see how much room you have to get out, it's a function of opening angle and door length. Another benefit I'm sure most current owners have experienced is another car's door being opened onto yours. At present the resultant ding is their door panel against a rock slider or side step. They always come off worse (as an aside I was sat in mine when a passenger in the adjacent space did just this, swinging their door open with no regard to the consequences. There was a heavy thud as her car door dented quite badly, followed by a series of expletives aimed at me for "causing" the damage to her car.) The new doors look very vulnerable in this regard. And then there's B road widths, etc, etc. Having said all that the rear space in the new 110 did not appear to be overly generous and rounded edges and curves wasted space that could not be packed with boxes, flat timber, etc. Maybe that's the downside to not having a separate chassis, the double skinned nature of the body is a double whammy. |
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18th Dec 2019 11:53am |
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| chalky Member Since: 09 May 2008 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 483
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Again, it’s odd that the new car should be be the same size or smaller, for me the major selling point would be bigger doors, and again..... I’m clearly the only person who has got into an old one and nearly punctured a kidney on the door striker, I’d rather be able to get in and out and have my my legs in a comfy position than have the comedy steering wheel perched between my knee caps, it’s absurd that people seem hell bent on being able to stack things and slide stuff into the rear load space right up to the roof, how many people actually do that ? And how many have done it thro the tiny rear door of the old one !!!!! Has any one ever thought that the load space in the old one is crap, and the wheel boxes are just ridiculous, tacking boxes in there whilst trying to keep the load level between the wheel boxes must be like jenga, It’s an absolute joke, As for the space in the old one that was so useable, there’s no room in the front, no arm space and no leg space and the seat is prevented from moving back as the bulkhead and later the brace prevents it from being any use as a seat, Perched on top of a box which used to house fuel tanks. the second row in a 110 ! Again no leg space ! Point blank pathetic in terms of transporting 3 fully grown adults in the 2nd row ! And the useable load space ! In the old one it had 4 suicide seats, you couldn’t get in there with a stranger And get not having been aquatinted closely, and you never got In or out without being knee capped by either the rear X member or some one trying to not squash a ball against their leg while being pressed against each other so tightly it was like a cattle truck, yet the new ones too big, who in their right mind sells cars that you can’t travel in comfortably.
The doors on the Old ones are tiny, the vehicle has been outdated for decades, it’s morphed into something that it was never intended to be. And the door denting debate, I heard that nearly 20 years ago when the D3 came out, and the remarks about that were they looked like lift doors where they closed on the B pillar, car parks would be a minefield for the unwary yet here we are. Human beings are gaining in size generation on generation and the problem with a car is that it’s too big but you can’t fill it up to the roof with wood and boxes. DEFENDER XS CSW 08 TONGA GREEN |
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18th Dec 2019 7:50pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Doors sized to/by body size is all I want - big doors just get dinged when opening and catch the wind when out and about.
This comes to mind: fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. It's far easier to get into than at least two of my other vehicles.
You know there's a thread on here for loaded up Defenders? Who does it? Everyone who doesn't have the vehicle as a fashion statement and uses some of it's features as it was intended to be used.
No bulkhead or brace in my DCPU.
Did the 110 ever have fuel tanks there?
I watched the 3rd row of seats on the new defender being demonstrated to a lady - she was quite incredulous as the dealer explained how she was supposed to get in and out to use them. Try them with two adults and the side facing ones in the old defender will seem luxurious by comparison.
It's not really morphed into anything over it's whole life, in part that's one of the actual criticisms of it - lack of investment. For me the last generation of Defender was doing exactly the same job as my Series III was over 30 years previously, yes some things had changed but nothing was truly different.
And there you have it - the Discovery is really the vehicle you want and JLR have catered for you and your requirements. You have in "fixing" what you think is wrong with the Defender, spec'd up a Discovery. So just go and buy one if it's right for you. I've had a couple of them and they were great...but they are not a Defender. |
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21st Dec 2019 10:13am |
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| JordanBefender Member Since: 29 Aug 2019 Location: York Posts: 16
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for the people talking about the size, these appeared on instagram,
https://www.instagram.com/p/B6OAOGJJMJv/ |
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21st Dec 2019 1:09pm |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3254 
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Christ, that white and black combo looks awful. WARNING.
This post may contain sarcasm. |
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21st Dec 2019 1:16pm |
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| Fat Cog Member Since: 19 Mar 2012 Location: Oxfordshire & Devon Posts: 502 
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I'm probably one of the few who hasn't seen one close up yet but earlier today I was driving through Fenny Compton village (Warks) & spotted this 110 parked up...pulled over for a gander & took a few shots with my 90 for scale; looks so much better in the flesh (in my opinion of course)...actually now looking forward to the 90.
Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Since 1973...S1, Air Portable's, Defender's, but only my Wolf TUL HS GS remains |
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21st Dec 2019 4:18pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Lots of photos now of Defenders parked up next to one, but not seen any yet of an old school Discovery...that would be an interesting comparison.
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21st Dec 2019 5:33pm |
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| Fat Cog Member Since: 19 Mar 2012 Location: Oxfordshire & Devon Posts: 502
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Agreed...although I still think the new Defender will attract far more D4/D5 owners than existing owners.
I really LIKE the new Defender but LOVE my Wolf & Puma! Since 1973...S1, Air Portable's, Defender's, but only my Wolf TUL HS GS remains |
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21st Dec 2019 5:44pm |
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| Mike c Member Since: 11 Aug 2017 Location: Maldon, Essex Posts: 928  
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It is a new Discovery and no doubt the D5 will be dropped soon depending on how the new "Defender" sells. But irrelevant of how it looks it is far too complex, impractical and expensive to be a utility Land Rover replacement, but it's very clear they do not want that market anymore which is fair enough in a economic sense.
RIP Land Rover. |
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21st Dec 2019 5:46pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Rather reminds me of: "Women are like elephants. I like to look at 'em, but I wouldn't want to own one." W. C. Fields |
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21st Dec 2019 5:47pm |
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