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| jfh Member Since: 08 Jan 2014 Location: West Coast Posts: 357   
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The wheel is on asphalt.
Sorry didn't see the attached photo. |
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20th Dec 2018 3:24pm |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2638 
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it's actually not, it's just the dimensions that are different and the wheels are bigger Ok, the rear cargo space looks a bit shorter, but that's because the doors are bigger, and the bonnet is actually longer. the new one sits lower but that's probably due to being on Normal height, at Offroad height it will probably be around the the same height. the interior space will probably be around the same, just way more comfortable  --
2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged 
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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20th Dec 2018 6:18pm |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3707  
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Where are you getting 22's from? PS Don't say 22" too loud or the 16" diehards will hear  130's have feeling's as well you know  |
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20th Dec 2018 6:32pm |
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| Ramajama Member Since: 28 Jul 2016 Location: Heartland, ‘Murica Posts: 109 
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LOL!! Well before there’s too much hand wringing, teeth gnashing, feet stomping, wailing and crying....I’m sure there will be a wheel choice for everyone. But even still, ya cant please everyone. 2018 RAM Power Wagon (American Muscle)
2003 Land Rover Discovery II HSE 7 (Still deciding on its role) 2004 Land Rover Discovery II SE (British Steel...& aluminum) 2015 Land Rover Discovery Sport HSE Lux (Soccer Mom car) |
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20th Dec 2018 7:10pm |
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| LR90XS2011 Member Since: 05 Apr 2011 Location: bickenhill Posts: 3641 
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www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-ne...o-15692916 DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,
I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy |
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18th Jan 2019 6:45pm |
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| LR90XS2011 Member Since: 05 Apr 2011 Location: bickenhill Posts: 3641
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www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-ne...o-15692916 DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,
I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy |
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18th Jan 2019 6:45pm |
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| Clive Member Since: 21 Mar 2014 Location: Littleborough Posts: 467 
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I had a chance meeting the other day with a chap who works at JLR, I asked him about the raised clamshell bonnet and the other disguised bits on the mules, he wouldn't be drawn too much on the finer details but said there's a lot of foam padding all over the place under those disguised body lines and there's more of the classic Defender body shape underneath than it appears, also there are no carpets inside in a nod to the classic hose-down functionality, so all those who decry it and say it's nothing like a "proper" Defender could be in for a surprise.
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18th Jan 2019 7:24pm |
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| Badger110 Member Since: 06 Feb 2018 Location: South hams Posts: 1039 
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The idea of it being nothing like an original is because the original was born out of a need for a vehicle to provide a function.
The new defender doesn't have that. It never will as nowadays there are a multitude of vehicles that do the job a defender does, better and cheaper. The new defender will be a vehicle in name only, the basic idea of it's predecessor is not needed and JLR won't produce a vehicle along those lines. They have moved with the times, and quite rightly so. |
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18th Jan 2019 7:54pm |
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| Entreq Member Since: 02 Jun 2015 Location: Lake Constance Posts: 43 
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19th Jan 2019 12:32am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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That rather suggests that the last 18 years or so of production were in the same category as the new model. |
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19th Jan 2019 9:27am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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This - other than the relative positions of the wheels and the windscreen, it's just not possible to draw any conclusions about the final body shape.
Everyone's looking at the block of stone and seeing their own statue.
I can recall press statements pre DC100 that made reference to "new" materials for the interior...neoprene and such other materials to give waterproof seats, dashboard, etc... |
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19th Jan 2019 9:33am |
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| Badger110 Member Since: 06 Feb 2018 Location: South hams Posts: 1039
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Not quite. 18 years ago, the Defender was introduced based on the Series III, all the tooling and manufacturing process to build the defender was there, nothing drastic was changed. Contracts with the MOD for defenders were in place, we still had a pride in the Solihull factories and the japanese market of reliable 4x4's hadn't become noticable just yet in the UK, so the defender still had a market. In today's climate the defender doesn't have a place amongst the cheaper, better produced vehicles ( pick ups ) on the market. Will the new defender have to fill a niche no longer there for it when a disco will do the same job and it'll do it in more comfort in these modern times? I feel the new defender will take it's heritage not from the original concept of a utiilty vehicle, but from the parts bins of the RR, Disco and freelander. Yes it may have rubber mats, washable interior and look simialr to the original shape, but i can't see you getting farmers out of their hilux pickups to go buy one. VW and BMW have shown that you can take the badge of a classic car and produce something people will enjoy ( the beetle and mini ) but they did this for a road going car. The defender was a niche market which i feel is no longer viable for JLR to fill, so they will produce a vehicle for a different market and keep the badge. |
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19th Jan 2019 11:42am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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I'm not sure the actual sales figures support your narrative:
Click image to enlarge The real damage to the model came in the 80s with the huge decline in the RoW export market based on poor build and reliability. The UK & European market has been "relatively" flat - excepting the jumps for new model/engine variants introduced since then and I'd argue it's been a niche market ever since then. If you look at the model sales across the whole of JLR - it's many of the Jag models you'd want increased sales from before messing with the Defender. They've got greedy and pushing for 50k and then 100k sales per annum from the new Defender means the design brief will never fit the narrow parameters that made sense to the current owners. |
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19th Jan 2019 12:32pm |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3707
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Agreed I think the tops of the wings and bonnet will be similar to the Defender
Like what?
Agreed if you are talking about the D3/4 but disagree if you are discussing the D5 130's have feeling's as well you know |
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19th Jan 2019 1:39pm |
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