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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324  
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Or it was just more convenient? Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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19th Nov 2019 1:02pm |
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| RobKeay Member Since: 19 Jul 2009 Location: Stafford Posts: 1585 
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I’ve seen it in the flesh.
Pros Seats are super comfortable especially in the rear. Steering wheel is great Seems a great place to go with a group skiing in France Camera rear view mirror is ace gives fantastic rear vision. Free bar served nice beer Cons Too pricey for me at 60k for model shown Dash seems simple but fussy Outside feels plastic Rear lights are odd Electric tow bar seems a little 
Feels overpriced for what it is I’ve been sticking up for the new defender but really have lost interest. |
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19th Nov 2019 6:38pm |
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| SteveT247 Member Since: 21 Feb 2011 Location: Central Posts: 491  
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I had a look around one today too, it's not for me.
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19th Nov 2019 8:50pm |
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| King Luis Member Since: 23 Oct 2019 Location: Toronto Posts: 42 
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i'm sure any car would last 65 year if it was taken care of as well as these old classics.
what's not for you? styling?
when you say outside feels plastic, is it the look? or actual feel of it? or just too much of the matte black plastic? i thought the rear tow bar is cool. volvo has a similar one. is this different? or just not your style? do you know if all the steering wheels are wrapped in the same material? the LR site (Canada) sort of describes the steering wheel different in the S and SE models. "Standard leather steering wheel" vs "Leather steering wheel" |
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20th Nov 2019 12:35am |
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| chalky Member Since: 09 May 2008 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 483 
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This reminds me of when the DISCO 3 came out, it was lambasted from pre production, early production and into ownership, when serious owners who used these fragile D3’s used them as they were intended without the Air suspension collapsing, the TDV6 didn’t implode, the rear brake light didn’t fall off the lid, the boot door lifted up and not out...... the wheels were too big, tyres too wide, interior too flimsy,
When the nay sayers actually listened to what the previous D1, D2 and now the new D3 owners were saying and they used one themselves the negativity Soon stopped and Those who would never step out of an older Disco for these new fangled toys which were gimmicks and soon to be destined for the scrap yard actually worked they sold like hot cakes and many an enthusiast has since been forged, Given the option of driving round in a Defender with no room versus one with comfort built in, I’m taking the comfort one every time......... DEFENDER XS CSW 08 TONGA GREEN |
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20th Nov 2019 1:07am |
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| SteveT247 Member Since: 21 Feb 2011 Location: Central Posts: 491
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King Luis, I'm not mad on the styling, no. I also don't like the lack of adaptability in terms of changes/modifications. There's not a lot you can't do with the old model. I'm not talking about sticking a cherry picker on the back but things an average owner may want to change. If I wanted to lower or lift mine I can, if I wanted to change the suspension set up for more articulation I can, if I wanted to step up to 35 or 37 inch tyres, then it's a reasonably straightforward proposition (albeit expensive). You can forget sticking larger tyres on the new one. While I don't like the looks (especially the front), it's this that's the deal breaker for me.
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20th Nov 2019 7:49am |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2645  
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If someone here is going to look at it IRL, can you please take photos of the tyre sizes? thanks
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2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged 
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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20th Nov 2019 8:17am |
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| zilch Member Since: 11 Sep 2019 Location: Whitsundays & Sydney Posts: 820 
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As naks says, tyre sizes please, especially for the 19” off road tyre if it’s released yet another pommie bar steward down under
MY20 110 P400 SE Defender MY10 3.0 RR Sport |
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20th Nov 2019 8:43am |
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| SteveT247 Member Since: 21 Feb 2011 Location: Central Posts: 491
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They were 20" wheels on the one I saw so probably no use to you what so ever lol, but for what it's worth they were 255/60/20
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20th Nov 2019 8:57am |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2645
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thanks, I wonder if these 255/60R20s will fit on my Rangie
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2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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20th Nov 2019 9:00am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17450 
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I'm not so sure about that myself, since modern cars have a much higher proportion of polymeric materials (plastic) than old cars did. I am not convinced that these materials are yet sufficiently stable and durable to last 65 years. For example, on my Disco 2, which has been well looked after but has had to live outside for 17 years, every single bit of exterior plastic trim has degraded to some extent. The least degraded have just faded from black to grey, but the worst (the wheel arch trims) have lost most of their surface texture as well. It may be that there have been further improvements, but a New Defender with all its exterior plastic is going to look dreadful if the same thing happens after 20 years.
This happens every time that Landrover brings out a new model, or a new engine, or whatever, and to a great extent can be ignored. The Td5 was the end of the world, apparently, but is actually a great reliable engine. The TDCi really was the end of the world, but is actually in many ways the best engine ever fitted to a Defender, and so on. My issue with the new Defender is not that it is new, nor that it is radical, nor that it is plastered in over-priced pointless gimmicks (a plant spray to wash the dog, for Heaven's sake!), it is that it is actually not a Defender. To me, a Defender is a multipurpose ultra versatile light truck. It can mount snowploughs, cherry-pickers, miniguns, and underlifts. You can have bleeding deadstock in the back in the daytime, yet hose it out and go to a smart restaurant in the evening. You can use it equally well for mountain rescue, flood relief, breakdown and recovery work, oil exploration, saving the free world from oppressors, or taking the kids to school. You can hose out the interior rather than vacuum it. If you bend a wing, you can fit a new one in a hour with basic tools. If it conks out out the way to Ulaanbaatar you can mend it without a computer. If you want a roll cage or a light bar, you can bolt one on. If you get bored with a hardtop, you can convert it to a soft top in a couple of hours. You can pull a gang mower with it, or adapt it to run on railway lines. And when you drive it, whatever the reason, you get a sense of satisfaction and achievement, you get waved at by other Defender drivers, and every journey becomes a little adventure. THAT is a Defender, and I don't think the new one will do that. If they had retired the Defender and given the new vehicle a different name, I would warm to it much more. Calling it a Defender is to my mind insulting an old friend. The old defender was Chuck Norris, the new Defender is Kenton Kool and doubtless moisturises and uses hair care products! |
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20th Nov 2019 9:23am |
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| lohr500 Member Since: 14 Sep 2014 Location: Skipton Posts: 1317 
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I think the complex electronics will be its nemesis when it comes to longevity.
Both from a parts availability standpoint and having the necessary equipment to do the diagnostic work. Unless I am mistaken, we are already seeing availability issues with basic electronics on Puma (10AS alarm controllers and Alarm BBUS sounders are two I have picked up on through this forum). And will there be the knowledge, support and the required hardware/software around in 60 years + to diagnose all the electronics? Sadly, I doubt it. |
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20th Nov 2019 9:46am |
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| AMBxx Member Since: 24 Jul 2016 Location: York Posts: 1033 
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What's the LR policy on software updates? That could be an even greater limit on longevity.
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20th Nov 2019 11:14am |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753 
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Lifting will be OK on the new one provided you don’t spec air suspension - lifts have been possible on all the Freelander models, Evoques (I know one that has a 3” lift) and Disco-Sport. It does mean some compromises in that you cannot also have the full suite of TR programs - rock Crawl is off the menu. But then you also don’t need TR on any modern Land Rover as even those with a transfer box can still be driven “old style” in low ratio without the tweaks from TR. one thing a lot of owners of the modern cars forget is to disable the DSC which can be a real hinderance in deep snow and deep mud when you might be trying to use the sidewalks of the tyres to help you, DSC decides to cut the power as it thinks you are trying to crash the car! Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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20th Nov 2019 11:44am |
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