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pjh



Member Since: 22 Nov 2010
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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Orkney Grey
Towing Electrics
Hello All,

Sorting out the towing electrics on the 110 at the weekend - I notice that some people install it in the power take-off recess. How is this fixed ? I don't really want to drill the chassis.

Many thanks,

Peter Defender 11MY USW
Post #104018 2nd Dec 2011 11:15am
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
Well, to start with if you have a Defender the hole is an electrical socket hole not a power take-off hole!

The socket is screwed to the crossmember, and there is no alternative to drilling if you want to fit it in that location.
Post #104027 2nd Dec 2011 12:00pm
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pjh



Member Since: 22 Nov 2010
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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Orkney Grey
Thanks for replying.

I do have a defender - I thought that the hole was a leftover from when power take-offs were fitted - I didn't realise that is was for an electrical socket!

Many thanks,

Peter Defender 11MY USW
Post #104031 2nd Dec 2011 12:10pm
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lrmaniac



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Portugal 2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Keswick Green
pjh wrote:
... I thought that the hole was a leftover from when power take-offs were fitted ...


my thoughts exactly ... isn't it Question Regards
Joao

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Post #104038 2nd Dec 2011 12:27pm
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blackwolf



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The PTO hole goes right through the crossmember and (provided that there isn't a fuel tank in the way) you can see all the way to the cover on the back of the transfer box. It is always to the nearside of the centreline of the crossmember (since the power take-off on the t-box is in line with the input shaft).

For a long time now there hasn't been a PTO hole, but there is the smaller recess on the offside of the crossmember (I use the term recess since the hole has never actually gone all the way through at full diameter). It is of smaller diameter than the PTO hole used to be, and was, I am told, intended to allow a standard 7-pin DIN trailer electrical socket to be fitted. Contrary to some rumours, I don't think it ever had an military significance (and a military 12-pin socket won't fit in it anyway). Depsite being designed for the purpose, I have never seen a factory fitted or dealer fitted socket in the recess!
Post #104043 2nd Dec 2011 12:44pm
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MartinK



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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Orkney Grey
I couldn't remember whilst sitting at my PC what the back end looked like, so I popped out and took a couple of pics in the dark:


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It would look a bit better - and be out of the way of any damage...but mine's pretty much protected by the tow ball, bumperette and spare wheel anyway...

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The towball mounted step is good for getting in and out of the back...or just resting your boot to tie the laces Thumbs Up Very Happy Galvanised and less prone to damage than the original folding one

Stainless fasteners and loads of dinitrol overspray (maybe removal of the overspray is a job for tomrrow) on mine... Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's)
Post #104084 2nd Dec 2011 5:12pm
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TJ101



Member Since: 30 May 2007
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Isle Of Man 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Montalcino Red
Always fitted mine into the hole,, tight fit getting the gen plug through, but does go,,

As my towbar is removed for offroad regularly, saves messing with the socket every time !! California F1, 75th 110 "Kermit", 50th Ann V8, 90 V8 Hybrid, 55 Series 1

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Post #104107 2nd Dec 2011 6:18pm
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Sticky



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My dealer fitted my 13 pin electrics here, I seem to remember the factory kit comes sealed with silicone and you have to split it apart, drill the crossmember and reseal.

It is so much neater, doesn't pick up dirt or get clipped when off road.
Post #104229 3rd Dec 2011 9:27am
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leeds



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If going into water/mud etc then consider mounting the trailer socket higher up on rear panel above lights.

Advantages keeps it cleaner, less corrosion problems. Disadvantage you may need a curly extension lead to plug trailer lead in.

Brendan
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bpman



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Sticky wrote:
My dealer fitted my 13 pin electrics here, I seem to remember the factory kit comes sealed with silicone and you have to split it apart, drill the crossmember and reseal.

It is so much neater, doesn't pick up dirt or get clipped when off road.


I have done this, if you are carefull you can take the plug apart (the wheel arch end) and thread the loom thought the rear xmember and re-assemble. like you i did not want to mess with the gloop on the socket end.

I took a couple of pictures of the plug and wires before taking it apart
Post #104236 3rd Dec 2011 10:27am
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TJ101



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I have never had to take the standard 12N loom that LR supply, apart to get the end through the rear crossmember hole, to connect to the vehicle loom socket

So unless they have changed since March,when i did the current 110,, can not see why the need to be striped down ?? California F1, 75th 110 "Kermit", 50th Ann V8, 90 V8 Hybrid, 55 Series 1

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Post #104242 3rd Dec 2011 10:55am
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bpman



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TJ101 wrote:
I have never had to take the standard 12N loom that LR supply, apart to get the end through the rear crossmember hole, to connect to the vehicle loom socket

So unless they have changed since March,when i did the current 110,, can not see why the need to be striped down ??


I did mine in July, genuine LR 12N loom/plug. I can't think the loom plug would have been changed, maybe my spacial skills are not a good Embarassed
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Jammer600



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My puma had a standard tow bar as above and I'm fitting nas type, so can I just remove plug re-route and re connect?
Post #110957 30th Dec 2011 10:45pm
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Jammer600



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Spent all Mornin cleaning my truck, thought I'd have a quick look for the tow elecs, found them, had a dig around in the wheel arch and found a plug here

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So decided I'd un plug pull wires through and relocate here

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Post #111065 31st Dec 2011 2:58pm
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TJ101



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So, the plug when through the hole then Question

Must be Steve, and his "spacial skills" Rolling with laughter California F1, 75th 110 "Kermit", 50th Ann V8, 90 V8 Hybrid, 55 Series 1

Main Brian James Trailer Dealer for South West UK
Post #111066 31st Dec 2011 3:02pm
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