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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5109   
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The selfless unpaid lifeboat volunteers risk their lives on a regular basis. They’re heroes in the true sense of the word and should be praised!
However not according to Yorkshire RNLI management who never risk their lives sat in an office all day. Why do I say PC has gone mad here is why... A Whitby lifeboatman who served with the RNLI for 15 years was sacked alongside his junior colleague for having joke mugs with naked women on them superimposed with a photo of a crew member on them in the office. Whitby crewman Ben Laws and his workmate Joe Winspear were allegedly sacked over the phone on Tuesday. The pair are reported to have swapped the 'jokey' tea mugs as Secret Santa presents. Because of the sacking four others from the crew have resigned two of them, women. FOR THOSE EASILY SHOCKED DO NOT SCROLL DOWN  THIS IS THE MUG IN QUESTION...
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4th May 2018 4:18pm |
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| discomog Member Since: 09 May 2015 Location: Notts/Lincs Border Posts: 2526  
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If they reinstate the members of the lifeboat crew I'll happily donate some donkey mugs so that every time the crew members make a brew they will be reminded of their management team.
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4th May 2018 4:44pm |
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| nosnibod Member Since: 15 Aug 2007 Location: West Midlands Posts: 370 
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Sounds like there was rather more to this than just an issue about mugs:-
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4th May 2018 5:12pm |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5109
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That update is Speculation, no mention of allegedly and could be construed as the women responsible and who received such bad press perhaps trying to dig herself out of a hole of her own making. I take nothing for granted unless proof is offered and that article is only hearsay from management.
The appeal procedure is, in fact, is a disciplinary hearing in which the two individuals would have to give access to their computers and media accounts which the two involved refused to do on the grounds of an invasion of privacy. No formal complaints have been made to the RNLI as far as I can tell. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at.. http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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4th May 2018 5:45pm |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3263 
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They sound like a pair of wrong'uns who got caught bang to rights. Can't see that the RNLI had any choice but to get rid. If they believe they are innocent or were treated harshly they have a right to appeal. |
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4th May 2018 9:18pm |
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| mick Member Since: 08 Feb 2010 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 2109  
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I stopped paying into the RNLI a few years back and don’t pay into any charity now it’s the usual case Lions led by monkeys
There’s been 3 sackings now St Helier Scarborough and Whitby A RNLI member I know has emailed HQ to ask what’s going off but hasn’t heard a thing. |
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4th May 2018 9:36pm |
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| mick Member Since: 08 Feb 2010 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 2109
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More like if who ever it was aimed at cant take a bit of stick maybe he should leave there are some hard men crewing these boats with plenty of banter. |
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4th May 2018 9:44pm |
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| NoDo$h Member Since: 18 Aug 2007 Location: Buried in deer guts in Dorset Posts: 972
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A responsible employer..... Of volunteers
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4th May 2018 10:02pm |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5109
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No matter what the reasons are and I am still in the mindset that RNLI crews who do not get paid but are volunteers, and no matter what they do is a great unpaid job and I still think they are heroes and as such are not privy to the rules of those who get paid.
Saying that we all must adhere to what is right..... However, as one who has had the use of a lifeboat crew to rescue them due to I have to say of me being an idiot and not knowing anything about tides (I do now), I could not care less whether they use social media or have a dirty mug in their office or whatever else I am just glad they are there. I have to say that without their help perhaps I and my son would not be here today and I for one will be eternally grateful for a group of people who put their lives at risk to save mine and whatever they did or did not do, thank you does not seem good enough. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at.. http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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4th May 2018 11:59pm |
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| Projectblue Member Since: 22 Nov 2011 Location: Devon Posts: 1096
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How is a formal statement by RNLI 'heresay from management'? 
Also, because they are volunteers, not employees, the RNLI have the ability to take action to protect the integrity of the organisation. It's long been known that if you act irresponsibly on social media there could be repercussions in the work place. It's easy to slander under the guise of 'pc madness' but if it's more than that, then it would appear that management have been forced to act. If by acting they bring down the tutting wrath of forums who accuse them of over reacting, that's probably the least worrying compared to litigation or serious breach had they not acted. I guarantee you that RNLI HR will have been consulted. New project and it's green: www.projectoverland.info |
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5th May 2018 5:39pm |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298 
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if I'm not mistaken them donkey's are nude too!
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5th May 2018 6:00pm |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5109
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Perhaps I should have used the term 'Snowflake' rather than PC as it appears as I understand it that the term used in that updated statement 'production of material of an inappropriate sexual nature' by whose standards was it deemed inappropriate certainly not by the person or persons depicted in the graphic, these mugs have been displayed for four months and no one has made an official complaint. Then on a routine visit a female RNLI officer was offended and as such her actions and not the mug owners caused members of the Whitby crew to have resigned at the absurdity of the situation brought about by this officer. The wording of the revised statement and I wonder why RNLI thought there was a need for the revision as the statement is careful not to accuse or prove guilt and it is my opinion the phrasing of this version is pure snowflake language, for in truth the men and women who crew lifeboats are not of the delicate persuasion unlike it seems to me are the office staff. In fact this story reminds me of the woman hospital management officer who refused a large donation because it was gathered by men dressed in drag and the hospital management worker thought this was an affront to women in general. Snowflake.... 'The lifeboat station should be an environment where people are treated with dignity and respect. Our supporters, volunteers and staff expect the RNLI to act in accordance with these values and would rightly anticipate that there would be serious consequences for anybody who fails to meet these standards. By challenging this behaviour, we are standing up for the thousands of volunteers who are committed to doing the right thing. The use of the word 'we' is collective and this sacking was based not on a collective but on the thoughts of one woman. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at.. http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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5th May 2018 6:38pm |
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| Projectblue Member Since: 22 Nov 2011 Location: Devon Posts: 1096
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I understand, that if in the context of the mugs, then it appears OTT. And I am opposed in general to the whole 'I'm offended', lets run around after them.
However there does seem to be more than the mugs:
There is no report of what that may be. If you know the people involved and have further insight that's another thing. Also, as I said, RNLI have a duty to look after it's image and anyone bringing that into disrepute is going to be dealt with. I don't necessarily support it, but I do understand it. Just reading it from an on the fence position from what's been highlighted. New project and it's green: www.projectoverland.info |
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6th May 2018 9:25am |
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| ARC99 Member Since: 19 Feb 2013 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 1831 
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If an organisation has paid and volunteers within there organisation then the volunteers have to be treat as if they are employees. This applies to health and safety and other Acts, the disciplinary procedures may be slightly different but have to be within the employment Act. Don't make old people mad. We don't like being old in the first place, so it doesn't take much to  us off.
Richard |
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6th May 2018 9:39am |
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