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leeds



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A very tragic incident which has cost a young girl her life and will devastate her family.


Please lets not get into a guessing game what was the cause of this tragic incident. Let the police/vehicle examiners do their work and the courts do their work.

Maybe we should all take a good look at our own vehicles and check our own nuts etc. .


RIP young lady and condolences to her family.


Brendan
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I was thinking the same. There's an awful lot of conclusions being jumped to on the basis of one blurry distant photo. Darren

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I read that the Discovery driver had only recently purchased it. Very sad for all involved
Post #692069 8th Mar 2018 9:12pm
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GREENI wrote:


That kind of disco does have a certain reputation. Seen on 4x4 fun days nationwide. Salisbury plain regularly


this too...
Post #692129 9th Mar 2018 7:37am
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Badger110 wrote:
I was thinking a similar thing,

i thought it's unusual to lose a wheel bolted on with 5 nuts without some warning before hand

It's very sad indeed, but that happens, unfortunately (and not just to 4×4).
It happened to a friend of mine (while I was in the car) on a completely standard Defender 90 with steel rims, just a noise hard to identify just seconds before the wheel parted off and that was it! Fortunately, he wasn't driving fast and the wheel just ended up in the side ditch, nobody was hurt...
Also, it seems to always happen to the wheels on the left side, due to the rotation of the wheel which tend to undo the nuts.
Checking the wheel nuts only takes a few seconds and can save lives! “A Land Rover immobilized is a moral defeat for the driver and bad publicity for the vehicle, […] it's up to you to do justice to your Land Rover!” - Land Rover Driving Technique.
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Post #692135 9th Mar 2018 8:50am
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o4dn wrote:
Also, it seems to always happen to the wheels on the left side, due to the rotation of the wheel which tend to undo the nuts.


Which is of course precisely the reason that HGVs and similar vehicles have left-hand threads on the nearside wheel fasteners.
Post #692145 9th Mar 2018 9:19am
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I've had it happen to me some years ago, a Peugeot 504 pick-up that was left for me and a mate to get back to our motors one night after dropping some farm machinery at an outlying farm. I was driving and could hear a peculiar noise, got out a couple of times but couldn't find anything especially as it was an early one with little hub caps which covered the wheel nuts.Trundling along with my mate hanging out of the passenger window when he shouts out that the wheel had fell off. I never felt a thing driving at 30mph untill I came to a stop when the front dropped down and the wheel passed by us on the drivers side on its way to the ditch! All the wheel nuts were still behind the hub cap, we had a spanner but no jack so I drove it up a pile of fence posts and the verge to get the wheel back on.
The other times were when I had a Direhatsu pick-up as my shepherding truck, it used to be serviced every 4 months and three services on the trot the garage had failed to tighten up the wheel nuts. It would wait untill I got back to the farm and let a wheel go on some steep ground. It's a long damned way to push a wheel back uphill across a 30 acre field!
I have been greenlaning with a mate with his 90 on Disco Cyclone wheels of a 200tdi Disco, you could guarentee that his wheelnuts would be loose after a deep puddle or a wade after 10 miles or so of travelling. We could only put it down to thermal shock of the alloys contracting enough to start movement of the wheelnuts.
Post #692167 9th Mar 2018 12:41pm
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o4dn wrote:
Badger110 wrote:
I was thinking a similar thing,

i thought it's unusual to lose a wheel bolted on with 5 nuts without some warning before hand

It's very sad indeed, but that happens, unfortunately (and not just to 4×4).
It happened to a friend of mine (while I was in the car) on a completely standard Defender 90 with steel rims, just a noise hard to identify just seconds before the wheel parted off and that was it! Fortunately, he wasn't driving fast and the wheel just ended up in the side ditch, nobody was hurt...
Also, it seems to always happen to the wheels on the left side, due to the rotation of the wheel which tend to undo the nuts.
Checking the wheel nuts only takes a few seconds and can save lives!


Very sad state of affairs & condolences to the family.

Why are people so keen to jump to conclusions &/or stereotype?

Had the exact same thing happen to me about 20 years ago in a well maintained standard Defender fitted with standard steel wheels. Travelling along A road at about 50mph, heard/felt slight vibration then 'clunk' - nearside front wheel off down the road & into the hedge on its own!
Post #692168 9th Mar 2018 12:45pm
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I just remembered it happened to me, well I was in the car.

I landed at Manchester airport after an horiffic flight and everybody cheered, I thought 'I'm not home yet'.

A mate's dad picked us up in his t25 minibus/camper, as we had mountainbikes with us. We were just coming off the M56 and a front n/s wheel flew off over a bridge and luckliy into some wood/scrub land.
The day before he had new tyres fitted....
Post #692170 9th Mar 2018 12:55pm
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I always check and torque my wheel nuts and the spare, every time I remove and refit or periodically.
And almost always after any work, plus I leave the wheel nut torque in with the locking wheel nut if it does taken any notice of. Shocked

Many a time I've found a nut or two looser than the rest, more than DIY people being blamed I'd be looking at garages and tyre fitters just wacking them on with a windy gun.

Some used to say, check the wheel nuts after xx miles I tend to notice that doesn't happen much even. $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R
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incredibly sad for all involved as noted above.......

what does surprise me that no one above has mentioned the axle casing issues that LR issued some poor fix for.

is it possible a dodgy casing found it's way onto a disco with out the LR fix?
Post #692186 9th Mar 2018 1:50pm
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Bit of an age difference regarding the axle case issues
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I was wondering if the disco owner might have a bought a 'new' axle that had come off a 2010 defender (assuming they're similar / compatible?
Post #692194 9th Mar 2018 2:08pm
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