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olivers



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2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Zambezi Silver
cartoonhead wrote:

- blindo wheels fitted (turning circle is soooooooo much better now)


I’ve seen this mentioned before and it confuses me... how do Blindo wheels influence the turning circle? Care to explain?

Cool truck! Thumbs Up I think I’m attracting the 130 bug...
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cartoonhead



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Different wheels have different offsets which affects how much your tyres will stick out from the car, having them further out allows you to adjust your steering locks to get a better turning circle (because the wheels are further from the radius arms).

The more negative the offset the better turning circle:
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cartoonhead



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Just to add - the tyres also make a difference, the wider the tyre the less turning circle you will have - I’m running 235/35/R16 tyres, if I were to fit 265’s I’d degrade the turning circle.
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Tdi4



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As reference i think the LR defender wheels have an et value of 35.

So a wheel with an et value (and the same width) of 10 the wheel is about an inch more outwards.

This means you can turn further before the tyre hits the radius arm ( if you adjust the steering stop bolts ).

With the normal arches you can Go to an et value of 0 (with tyres which are not to wide. I Guess max 275). Negative et values (which bring the tyre even further outwards) are possible but not with Standard arches. a defender from 1984 pretending to be a puma with a touch of Range Rover
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olivers



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Right.... thanks for explaining! Now, there's only one part missing: what's the role of Blindo wheels in this? Are they somehow assumed to always have a negative offset? I googled them and they are described to be strong and perfect for off-roading and all kinds of things, but nobody said "they are known for their enormous negative offset" Very Happy
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Tdi4



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Most tyres have a positieve off set. Ie the popular bowler wheels have an offset of 10. This an inch more outwards.

There are blindo’s and other wheels which have a negative offset. I’ve seen modularis with an offset of -30. Ergo, again with the same width. These wheels are 65 mm more outwards than the Standard LR wheels.

I think most people do it for the looks of the vehicle. But a definitie advantage is the much smaller turning circle. I guess about 6 ft less. Again with the same tyre width. If you want to fit wider wheels and tyres this extra space is needed to maintain the normal turning circle. a defender from 1984 pretending to be a puma with a touch of Range Rover
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Grey 130 looks fantastic Mr. Green
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Tdi4



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Idea to elaborate on my previous post.

You can also put the wheels more outwards by using spacers. You have to subtract the width of the spacers from the offset.

Ie. I have zu rims with an offset of 10 and use spacers 30mm thick. Ergo a combined offset of -20. So if if would place a wheel with an offset of -20 without spacers the tyres would be in the same place.

Some people don’t like spacers (for all kinds of reasons and/Or taste) but if they want a very wide stance they Go for wheels with a negative offset. a defender from 1984 pretending to be a puma with a touch of Range Rover
Post #696406 27th Mar 2018 8:06am
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olivers



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Again, thanks for the explanations! Something to keep in mind... I can't complain about the turning circle on my Puma 90, but it's easy to imagine that things are different in a 130 Smile
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cartoonhead



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So I drove the 130 to Eindhoven this weekend to get a roof rack and hardtop fitted (cargo bear rack will go on the 90 now).

Stopped in Bruges on Saturday and enjoyed the beer very much Thumbs Up then went to the DAF museum in Eindhoven on Sunday and saw a few nice old trucks and cars, especially enjoyed the Dakar rally trucks ones - I'll do a separate OT post for that I think.

Monday I went to Tembo 4x4 who made, painted and fitted my hardtop and roof rack:

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Took a few more pics once I got home:

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Really happy with the rack and hardtop and the drive there was definitely worthwhile, it's nice working on these cars yourself but for peace of mind you can't beat having something fitted directly by the manufacturer. Customer service there was excellent compared to most UK companies, second only to Brendan of course Bow down

Once I got home I fitted my MSS cubby box (typical that it couldn't have arrived before I left, seeing as I had taken my original one out to sell at Sodbury sortout Mad ):

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So yeah, hopefully be doing more this weekend depending on what turns up. At the very least roof tent and awning will be going on.
Post #701643 18th Apr 2018 6:47am
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olivers



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Looking better and better! Thumbs Up

How is the roof rack supported at the back, over the canopy?
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BigRuss



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Post #701655 18th Apr 2018 7:22am
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cartoonhead



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olivers wrote:
Looking better and better! Thumbs Up

How is the roof rack supported at the back, over the canopy?


I agree! The rack bolts directly onto the canopy at the back.
Post #701666 18th Apr 2018 8:24am
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Oakseywick



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Looks great Thumbs Up bit of a beast!
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blackwolf



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Fantastic truck, and reminiscent of my forum favourites, AndrewS's magnificent J-Lo and Longshanks.

Some serious truck envy happening here. Thumbs Up
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