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lightning



Member Since: 23 Apr 2009
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Flippin’ water leak
I know Defenders leak but up till now the front of all my Defenders has remained dry.

Recently however water has poured into the passenger footwell of our TD5 90 when it rains.
The water seems to come from under the dash but it could be running along the trim from the door aperture.
I have replaced the door seal (with a LR OE) and treated the screen/bulkhead seal which looked like it was soaked with water.
Where does the water come in to fill the footwell? The vent flap seals look fine and there’s no holes in the bulkhead, in fact it’s a very clean 90.
Drops of water appear on the metal plate with 3 bolts that holds the screen to the bulkhead and also on the plastic piece that covers the door check arm.
It also runs out from the bottom of the dash under the speaker.
After rain the carpet (when l bother to fit it) is absolutely soaking wet.
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dorsetsmith



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lightning



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Thanks!

Thirty five pages of reasons for water leaking into the footwell!!
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Dieseljock



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Scotland 2003 Defender 90 Td5 HT Zambezi Silver
I have the very same issue depending on how it's parked and where the rain is coming from. Im almost certain it's coming in through the strip between the windscreen and the bulkhead, im going to try sealer ( tiger seal) on it see how it goes.
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lightning



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Well l have done a couple of the recommendations this evening, have to start somewhere
Only 32 more things to try
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tookaphotoof



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Netherlands 2013 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 HCPU Santorini Black
I had the same problem. Changed the blocks with new gaskets as the looked bad. Didn’t solve a thing.
After I had the cracked windscreen replaced I got rid of the problem.
2 Months later I’ve got the same problem again. I keep thinking I’m a lucky man as the leak doesn’t drip on my but my wife’s shoes 😄
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Balvaig



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Scotland 2016 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 Landmark LE Corris Grey
You really need a dry day, two people and a hosepipe. Work round the obvious culprits with the hose and see if you can find the entry point. Mine was still the door seals even though I replaced the both with new Landrover parts at £60 a side! The roof gutters at the front let the water run onto the front of the doors. The water hit the seals at the front edge kink and then ran in onto the check straps and onto the floor. Solution for me was to form a silicone diverter at the front of the gutters to divert the water away from the seals, and adjust the door fitting.
Really frustrating, but good luck Confused
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tookaphotoof



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Actually, if it was a normal car it would be quite frustrating. Somehow I don't get annoyed by it with a Defender. I'll just wait for a couple of warm days in spring to take out the headliner and the dashboard for some sealing and noise isolation work.
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Kuwait 
Balvaig wrote:
Mine was still the door seals even though I replaced the both with new Landrover parts at £60 a side! The roof gutters at the front let the water run onto the front of the doors. The water hit the seals at the front edge kink and then ran in onto the check straps and onto the floor. Solution for me was to form a silicone diverter at the front of the gutters to divert the water away from the seals, and adjust the door fitting.
Really frustrating, but good luck Confused

This is mine too Wink it depends on angle, wind direction etc. - sometimes it's torrential and I get not a drop, other times it's your typical rain and the passenger is looking at me like 'Dude, GET THIS SORTED' as it's literally a constant stream. I think my 110 has a bladder accessory hidden in the roof lining that it loads up waiting for someone to put their laptop in the footwell? Solved the bowel problem, working on the consonants...
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lightning



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I have half figured out why this happens.
Last night was sat in the passenger side during heavy rain and water was dripping off the top front edge of the door seal, running down the door, and into the footwell.
I put my finger on the seal and it stopped the dripping because the water then made a little river down the inside front of the door and ran out at the bottom of the door, so not getting into the footwell.
So it would appear to depend on whether by chance you get a drip or a river.
Now l need to find out how the water is getting to the inside of the door seal at the top.
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barbel jim



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United Kingdom 2005 Defender 90 Td5 HT Tonga Green
Pull the door seal off at the top, apply a small bead of silicone along the top of the door frame and down the leading edge, just below the door stay, and push the seal back and leave overnight. It usually works, and stops them dropping off overtime Whistle
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Balvaig



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Scotland 2016 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 Landmark LE Corris Grey
The door would have been fitted with sealant at the corners and at the areas where the door kinks. Worthwhile renewing it as suggested, but I would not recommend silicone. Use a non setting mastic instead. Silicone is a nightmare to remove when set.
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ibexman



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You need this Rolling with laughter

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lightning



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I had another look today and the water is coming from inside the roof, so how would it be getting to the inside channel above the headliner?
The door seal is dry. The water is coming out between the headliner and the door aperture.
The only thing l can think of is the rubber seals on the skylight windows on each side of the roof.
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JustFX



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United Kingdom 2000 Defender 110 Td5 CSW Coniston Green
Alpine windows. Seals are rather easy to change. Stopped some of my leaks. 
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