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| Likeomg Member Since: 29 Jun 2012 Location: Lake District / Newcastle Posts: 2642  
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Just been on the news...
fighting for a 500 million investment to build a new baby version of the defender in teeside... Twisted also made an appearance... interesting |
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14th Nov 2017 1:44pm |
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| bankz5152 Member Since: 02 Feb 2017 Location: South London/North Kent Posts: 2185 
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Interesting...
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14th Nov 2017 1:52pm |
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| JOW240725 Member Since: 04 May 2015 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7907  
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I saw an interview with Charles Fawcett (Twisted) a couple of years ago when he bought his £7m stock of Defenders. On being asked what next after they've gone he suggested making his own. But not heard anything else since.
I can't really imagine what a baby version of a Defender would be like? The 90 is small enough as it is?! James MY2012 110 2.2TDCi XS SW Orkney Grey - http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic43410.html MY1990 110 200TDi SW beautifully faded Portofino Red - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post743641.html#743641 MY1984 90 V8 Slate Grey - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post744557.html#744557 Instagram @suffolk_rovers |
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14th Nov 2017 1:59pm |
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| ian series 1 Member Since: 17 Nov 2014 Location: south Posts: 3127 
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Maybe they will just start pimping 80"s
 80" 80" 86" 88" 90"
Wanted, Forward Control Anything considered. |
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14th Nov 2017 2:09pm |
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| What puddle? Member Since: 25 Oct 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 952
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Jimny rival. Now left.
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14th Nov 2017 10:11pm |
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| g-mack Member Since: 07 Jan 2014 Location: northumberland Posts: 1967
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I just watched tis too
 My 109 thread
my youtube channel |
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14th Nov 2017 10:54pm |
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| AMBxx Member Since: 24 Jul 2016 Location: York Posts: 1034
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That sounds like an awful lot of money. How many are they planning to make? Surely the market can't be for much more than 100,000 per year at the very most? |
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15th Nov 2017 8:18am |
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| What puddle? Member Since: 25 Oct 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 952
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Well, you say that, but I've been wondering if this sector is going to be the new growth one. The popularity of small SUVs surprised market analysts, and many manufacturers are still playing catch-up. Look how many Vauxhall Mokkas there are on the roads, for example. Small city cars have been predicted as the next big growth market, but this simply hasn't come about. Indeed, Gordon Murray thought he'd cracked it with his awful little T27. Now, combine the two - a small city car with SUV pretensions. Add electric to that and you just might have the 'hot cakes' in car manufacturing. 'Normal' car prices have just got stupid, and I'm wondering if a downturn in sales will force buyers and manufacturers to look at cheaper ways of getting around. An electric Jimny may just be the way forward, and wouldn't it be great if it was a British company like Ineos that kicked it off? Now left.
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15th Nov 2017 8:43am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17458 
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The Defender is not an SUV though - at least it wasn't and should not be.
Frankly I don't care about the SUV market, I want a light commercial that can take anything from a cherry-picker to equipment for spraying locusts to any location. If it can't do that, it is not a Defender replacement! |
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15th Nov 2017 10:55am |
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| Kit Member Since: 12 Feb 2016 Location: Shropshire Posts: 1110 
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The CSW has always been marketed as an SUV, in my opinion 1993 200 Tdi 90 CSW
1956 Series 1 Hard-top 1958 Series 1 Soft-top |
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15th Nov 2017 11:06am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17458
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Not much "S" about it, IMO!
I would argue that the CSW was the slightly-more-civilised version of the light commercial, and at the time it came into being the SUV market didn't exist as such. The SUV market was borne with the Range Rover, which, after establishing the market, rapidly shot off somewhere else entirely. The irony to me is that an SUV has never been a "utility" vehicle in the sense of being a working vehicle, but only in the sense that you can use it to take rubbish to the tip or your daughter to university. (Show me an "SUV" that can be adapted as a road railer, or have an underlift installed, etc etc). The CSW was really the truest form of dual purpose vehicle - you could go on holiday in it, or you could tow your livestock to market. I don't think that the Defender has ever been an SUV, or indeed should ever become and SUV, based on the current understanding of the term. Just my personal opinion of course, and other may - and probably will - have entirely difference views. |
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15th Nov 2017 12:45pm |
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| What puddle? Member Since: 25 Oct 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 952
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The term is annoying, as journalists use it for a Tesla model! The RR was (in my opinion) the very first SUV, though I have seen articles disputing that, and the Defender clearly wasn't...wasn't. However, like Kit, I feel it's been marketed as one for some time. Now left.
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15th Nov 2017 1:22pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150 
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The original station wagons were pretty civilised, but were still marketed as a good way to get builders across a site, or to ferry tourists on safari, never really shown as an alternative to a normal car. The County, introduced in 1982, was really just playing catch up with standard car levels of trim and equipment, and even then it was still fairly basic. Some sound proofing and slightly nicer seats along with pant and side tapes, not exactly class-leading. 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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15th Nov 2017 2:46pm |
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| Cupboard Member Since: 21 Mar 2014 Location: Suffolk Posts: 2971 
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^^This A lot of pickups these days are just SUVs with big boots. |
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15th Nov 2017 10:46pm |
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