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Harryb450



Member Since: 11 Dec 2011
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ickle wrote:
I had the Clutchfix unit fitted last week - Ben told me that the slave is a 'one trick pony' single use and must be replaced when the clutch is replaced.

All ordered from him and feels really nice in use.

After two failed Borg and Beck clutches - one lasted 300 miles, the next about 5k I'm hoping this one will work!


Keith

I put a new OEM clutch in mine not long after I bought it and so far seems to be going well, but I was nosing on eBay and spotted a clutch fix unit and thought I’ll keep an eye on that for when mine starts rattling! Anyway I ended up winning it, thanks, Harry NO ROAD..........EXCEPT FOR LANDROVER
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Harryb450



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I have spoken to Clutchfix today and they have confirmed that it does use the standard OEM slave cylinder, so basically you just swop the friction plate and the cover. The bloke told me that the ceramic paddle clutch same as the one I have is for Bowler landrovers and racing applications and they stopped making them in November last year. How are these ceramic paddle clutches compared to the OEM type one? Are they aggressive? I know some of the folk on here have the ceramic type fitted so I would like your opinions on them please, thanks, Harry NO ROAD..........EXCEPT FOR LANDROVER
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Pickles



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Did I not read on this forum some time ago that the latest O.E. Defender clutch is uprated?....same as the one in the Autobiography?
Pickles.
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Harryb450



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Please don’t be shy!!! NO ROAD..........EXCEPT FOR LANDROVER
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leeds



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Ceramic clutches are NOT,REPEAT NOT, suitable for standard road going vehicles.

Ceramic clutches are a ON/OFF clutch, no chance of slipping the clutch or gently finding the biting point.


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Ceramic Clutches – Exedy Racing and Sports Clutches

Ceramic clutches can absorb more heat than organic ones, thus making them better suited to high performance applications. You will find that the price of a ceramic clutch is reflected in fact that they specifically for high performance driving.

Ceramic clutches will wear much faster if you ride the clutch, and can experience some shudder or chatter on engagement.

Keeping in mind also, that a ceramic clutch is quite savage on both its meeting components, the flywheel & pressure plate.

Exedy Ceramic Clutches come in a range of racing and sports clutches:





taken from http://www.clutch-kits-australia.com/organic-clutches.html


If you have a highly modified, high performance Bowler with 500 HP and do off road racing then a ceramic clutch would be suitable.


For an explanation of different clutch materials have a read HERE


4x4overlander are stocking the Clutchfix clutches.

HTH

Brendan
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Harryb450



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Thankyou Brendan, I won’t bother fitting it then. Might offer it for sale on here, as it’s no use to me! Thanks, Harry NO ROAD..........EXCEPT FOR LANDROVER
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NinetyTD4



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Re: Best replacement TDCi clutch
PAT303 wrote:
Well I'm on my third clutch at 170,000km's in my TDCi defender.Is there a good quality replacement clutch that has been found to last,or is at least better than the OEM clutch?. Thanks.

I know you don't want to hear that, but may it be related to the way you drive the car? If so, replace your driving moods may cure the pain. If you think eating clutches is normal, please report the way you are driving, so we can get a more helpful answer (Btw, I am at 200+k on my first clutch, first lining with 70% offroad and frequent towing usage, so think of 170k on a third of being a bit odd, sorry for that). Never forget: cars have owner, Landrover have field service personnel.
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ickle



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Ninety, If you're on that mileage with a tdci clutch you are probably the exception rather than the rule.

A good proportion of the tdci clutches fitted to Land Rovers and their cousins in Mondeos and the like with solid flywheels have springs made from cheese or recycled loo roll centres depending on manufacturer and no matter how its driven will fail.

Likewise the adapter shaft between gearbox and transfer box can fail at low mileage for no reason, I replaced mine at the first clutch change (around 100k) but it had very little wear at all, others in low mileage in never-abused dry weekend only shiny motors have given up in 10k.

Its the springs that are failing, not the linings from slipping the clutch like a granny!
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BenB8man



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Anecdotal but first hand at least.. my TD4 had clutch spring failure at 30k. I was gentle as I could be with the drive line too, still had barely any meat left on the adaptor shaft splines. No towing, light Offroad.

From now on I’d always recommend doing the job before anything fails just for peace of mind. Clutch springs could cause damage if they fell out and the splines will lease you stranded.
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dgardel



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Me and many of my italian colleague are using the Transit 4x4 clutch, very strong! not more problem!

Sachs (3182 600 157)

A big improvement... look at the pics


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vs LR


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Clutch disk and spring plate are much much stronger.

I run 80.000km with his clutch, it is the DEFINITIVE SOLUTION!!!! Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition

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dgardel



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Slave:
- LR068979 Piston
- LR068981 coupler
- LR068982 limit valveO
- LR004390 bearing

from Ford transit 4x4 clutch KIT:
- OE-7C11-7540-BB BUT MUST BE SACHS 3000 950 727 CLUTCH KIT (Disc + spring plate)

or buy it here: https://www.bestpartstore.co.uk/7428173-sachs-clutch-kit Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition

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InternationalDBA



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I fitted a National clutch to mine at 119,000 miles. Still going well at 133,000 miles.
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Tdi4



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Just wondering. Has anyone tried both? The sachs and the clutch fix I mean.

And is there a winner? The clutch fix is a bit more expensive and i'am wondering if it is worth the extra money.

Kind regards Jacco a defender from 1984 pretending to be a puma with a touch of Range Rover
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JOW240725



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There are Syncro Clutches as well now! I can't compare with others but another option that seems to get good reviews. James
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leeds wrote:
Ceramic clutches are NOT,REPEAT NOT, suitable for standard road going vehicles.

Ceramic clutches are a ON/OFF clutch, no chance of slipping the clutch or gently finding the biting point.


I had one for years on a track day car which I also used on public roads. Didn't have a single problem finding the biting point. No issues crawling in a traffic jam or parking the car in a tight spot.
Although you have to be a bit more careful, I don't agree on they are 'on/off'...
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