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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324  
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Not sure about flange to flange distances but the track width of a 109 is 52.5 inches and a 90/110 is 58.5 inches.
A friend of mine recently built a Series III with Defender axles (leaf spring mounts welded on) and with regular 5.5 inch wide steel wheels the tyre tread is just under the bodywork. Darren 110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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20th Oct 2017 4:25pm |
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| UtilityTruck Member Since: 09 Jan 2014 Location: Oxford Posts: 463
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Obviously putting a defender chassis under a series and calling it a series isn't really correct (in the eyes of road tax etc etc) but where do you draw the line? I mean lots of people replace the chassis on their LR- so is that to say if you swapped to a classic coil sprung chassis from leaf it'd be illegal? It's not clear to me how that distinction would work in practice. 2014 Keswick Utility 2.2
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23rd Oct 2017 10:56am |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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There are some reasonably clear cut rules about how this works. That's not to say that there aren't any grey areas, but the basics that are being discussed here are well covered. For example, there's a points system for major components:
A vehicle must maintain 8 points to retain its' identity. Where it gets interesting with Land Rovers is that the bodies are not integral to the chassis and so have no bearing on the points. What this means is that you can effectively mount any body on a Land Rover chassis as long as that chassis is unmodified. Different rear crossmembers or suspension mounts would mean losing the chassis points making it all but impossible to hit the 8 point target. Conversely, modifying a Series body to fit an otherwise standard Defender chassis is no change in the eyes of the DVLA. Using a Range rover chassis and running gear, which used to be very popular as already mentioned above, started to get tricky when the powers that be began cracking down on the 'unmodified' part of the chassis requirements. This is because those conversions invariably required a different rear crossmember to be fitted. This is also where it becomes less clear cut though, as there are as many stories of people falling foul of this as there are of those gaining approval as the rules haven't always been applied consistently. There's lots more information on the DVLA pages. Here's a good place to start: https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/ra...d-vehicles Darren 110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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23rd Oct 2017 11:50am |
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| Mo Murphy Member Since: 01 Jun 2008 Location: Letchworth Garden City, Herts Posts: 2326 
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During the waaooorrrrr, when 90s and 110s were too expensive to buy we used to build hybrids, and not an electric car in sight ! Take a Rangy with a rotten body and an old series with a rotten chassis, a lot of work and ta-da ! one coil sprung off road er 😊
Mo The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen. 50 Shades of Pennine Grey |
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23rd Oct 2017 12:11pm |
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| zsd-puma Member Since: 09 Aug 2016 Location: Kent Posts: 2720 
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You can still badge it up as a series, ie. call it what ever you like. It's just the logbook will have to have it registered as Defender. Its much like the Toyota Celicas with Ferrari body kits. The look like Ferraris and it has Ferrari badges all over it but the paperwork says Toyota. |
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23rd Oct 2017 12:12pm |
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| Whirly90 Member Since: 01 Sep 2016 Location: Ampshire Posts: 407  
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A fine example of a finished product at a reasonable price
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rover-serie...Swcx5ZZyKv |
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25th Oct 2017 7:03am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17727 
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That's not a Land-Rover, it's a "1959 Leyland AM 4x4 untilty"!
Not many Leyland AM Untiltys about now, hence the price!  |
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25th Oct 2017 8:22am |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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Blimey, that's wrong in so many ways that it's difficult to know where to start
Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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25th Oct 2017 9:16am |
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| rallysteve Member Since: 10 Feb 2014 Location: Cumbria Posts: 2238 
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Further to this, the 8 points has to include the 5 from the chassis/body to retain the identity. Steve 02' 110 TD5 Double Cab Rebuild Thread |
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25th Oct 2017 9:51am |
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| UtilityTruck Member Since: 09 Jan 2014 Location: Oxford Posts: 463
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Not exactly what I was thinking of when I created the thread, WHY would anyone want to pay 30k for that?! 2014 Keswick Utility 2.2 |
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26th Oct 2017 5:15pm |
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| datcullen Member Since: 15 Aug 2013 Location: UK & Italy Posts: 153 
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Looks lovely but presumably going abroad as registering it here (as discussed on the original thread last year) would be a nightmare / Q plate. Has / does anyone else put the AJ V6 from an X-type into a Defender apart from Bowler? 110 UW - '15 2.2 90 - '85 V8 soft-top RRC - '84 5 door, Option Pack C, 33k miles from new --- Elise S1 - '00 Millennium SE Elan +2 - '68 kit built by my dad Panda 4x4 - '87 in Italy |
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3rd Nov 2017 9:30am |
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| zsd-puma Member Since: 09 Aug 2016 Location: Kent Posts: 2720
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The AJ-V6 was originally a Ford engine, as found in the Mondeo ST220. I expect it probably just bolts onto the Puma gearbox.
Jaguar did tweak it and add bits to it, the X-Type 3ltr has variable valve control giving it 230bhp unlike the ST220 unit for example. Then they supercharged it for the F-type etc. But no i've not seen anyone else do it. |
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3rd Nov 2017 11:46am |
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| datcullen Member Since: 15 Aug 2013 Location: UK & Italy Posts: 153
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Only asking as my local spanner bought a low mileage (Cat D) X-type V6 for beer money recently. Didn't realise it was still the same unit in the F-type though.
So only Bowler have made it work? Anyone know what ECU they use? 110 UW - '15 2.2 90 - '85 V8 soft-top RRC - '84 5 door, Option Pack C, 33k miles from new --- Elise S1 - '00 Millennium SE Elan +2 - '68 kit built by my dad Panda 4x4 - '87 in Italy |
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3rd Nov 2017 12:37pm |
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| zsd-puma Member Since: 09 Aug 2016 Location: Kent Posts: 2720
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The F-Type unit is supercharged, so it's quite a long way from the original Mondeo ST220 unit. They're the same engine, in the same way that a 2.2 and 2.4 Puma are the same engine, but have loads of different bits on them.
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