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| Capt_Steve Member Since: 10 Jan 2012 Location: Ross on Wye Posts: 39   
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Interesting headline in the news today. I am lucky in that I don't think that I would have to wait an hour for armed response to turn up, but know a lot of guys on here are quite rural.
From reading some past posts, I would guess that we have a few serving or ex military chaps on the forum, would it not be worth training a few as a response in these areas? Cheers Steve |
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13th Jun 2017 7:30am |
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| proloForêt Member Since: 16 Mar 2017 Location: Montereau Posts: 248  
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I would not let any law the politician put on me from stop me to use my gun against a terrorist or anybody who threatened my family at home. In my job too because we have protection from wild boar in forest in form of gun. I would use it against person who attack without regard to law.
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13th Jun 2017 7:50am |
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| Riverboy Member Since: 16 May 2016 Location: French sector, Earth Posts: 1288 
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How to increase innocent deaths in one easy lesson. Arm civilians.
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13th Jun 2017 8:04am |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298 
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critical thing here would be training of civilians.
I'm very much for the idea. |
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13th Jun 2017 8:32am |
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| Rallymental Member Since: 17 Aug 2015 Location: The Garden of England Posts: 468  
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Don't tell him Pike!!
 The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results.
Solihull, 1948 - "If we paint the chassis, it will last for years" Solihull, 2015 - "If we paint the chassis............................. |
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13th Jun 2017 8:36am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17382 
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Yes, I rather thought you might be!
Dare I suggest - with no disrespect or offence intended - that this is a perfect illustration of the pitfalls of this proposal ! |
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13th Jun 2017 8:42am |
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| proloForêt Member Since: 16 Mar 2017 Location: Montereau Posts: 248
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I do not know tony martin but the conversation is about a terror attack which our countries know well now. In this case you should shoot in back, front or whereever. Just because a jihadi mad person turn their back to you and run even will not stop the detonate a suicide jacket. With obviousness if a person is running after try just to take a car or something then please not worth to shoot them. |
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13th Jun 2017 8:44am |
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| Riverboy Member Since: 16 May 2016 Location: French sector, Earth Posts: 1288
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We already do train civilians in this field. We call them the Army and the Police
 They do an amazing job, its just that there aren't enough of them on the streets thanks to people like Mrs May. Give the true professionals the man power they need to protect us and keep the hairbrained cheap alternatives in the pages of the Daily hate Mail. |
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13th Jun 2017 8:47am |
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| proloForêt Member Since: 16 Mar 2017 Location: Montereau Posts: 248
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You know that in Canada (actually I confess I only know Quebec well so I confess) and also in Switzerland there are many people with many guns. These are not places that have big numbers of innocent deaths. Politicians have guns protecting them so why not real peoples? |
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13th Jun 2017 8:48am |
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| andydef90 Member Since: 09 Feb 2015 Location: yorkshire Posts: 617 
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this should be left to the professionals if there needs to be a increase in armed public patrols then there needs to be funding in place . the problem in the united kingdom is the offender has more protection than the victim , {tony martin a classic example}
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13th Jun 2017 11:17am |
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| Rallymental Member Since: 17 Aug 2015 Location: The Garden of England Posts: 468
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I'd just bring in this guy!
We'll all feel safe in our beds!  Click image to enlarge The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results. Solihull, 1948 - "If we paint the chassis, it will last for years" Solihull, 2015 - "If we paint the chassis............................. |
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13th Jun 2017 11:35am |
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| Rallymental Member Since: 17 Aug 2015 Location: The Garden of England Posts: 468
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This was the scene today outside Waitrose Exeter
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results.
Solihull, 1948 - "If we paint the chassis, it will last for years" Solihull, 2015 - "If we paint the chassis............................. |
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13th Jun 2017 11:38am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17382
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Tony Martin was a reclusive farmer in the UK who was plagued by break-ins and thefts carried out by the travelling criminal community. His farm was known as an easy target amongst this community, so much so that criminals would travel from other parts of the UK to steal. One night, two such criminal individuals broke into the farmhouse where Tony Martin was sleeping, and during the moments that followed he shot and killed one of them with a 12-bore. There was much public sympathy for him (exept from the travelling criminal community of course), but in court he was convicted since his shot hit the criminal who died in the back, which the court took this as evidence that the person was fleeing at the time, and therefore not an immediate threat to Tony Martin. Shooting him was therefore judged to be excessive force, and there illegal. UK law is very clear - you can use an "appropriate" level of force or violence to protect yourself. If someone is threatening you with a gun and you have genuine reason to believe you are about to be shot, then you could shoot your attacker. You will have to be prepared to justify your action in court, though, so you need to be careful. If someone has stolen your valuables and fled, you are not in danger so cannot run after them, catch them, and beat them until they return you property, since this is "excessive force" - they are not threatening you. (An interesting legal argument would arise if someone with a gun broke into you house and said he would shoot you unless you let him leave with your valuables. IN this case. you are only at risk if you do not let him leave with your stuff, so shooting him dead would probably be considered excessive since you could simply give him your stuff! I don't most normal people would see it like this, though (I wouldn't), and it would be a very interesting court case.) |
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13th Jun 2017 11:45am |
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| Riverboy Member Since: 16 May 2016 Location: French sector, Earth Posts: 1288
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The laws are there for a very good reason and should stay as they are. The best argument against bearing arms is the USA. Who in their right mind would want Europe to become like them.
Just look at Rallymental's picture above. |
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13th Jun 2017 12:04pm |
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