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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018   
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Portal gears to you and me...nice video showing the working parts and good to see that although they didn't really need them they wanted them for the ground clearance benefits.
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28th Feb 2018 7:40am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17372 
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I have to say that despite my earlier critical comments the more that i see and hear of this vehicle the more impressed I become. I would jump at the chance of getting hold of one!
My biggest concern now is that it is going to be significantly expensive. I know that no-one yet knows an indicative price, but I could well imagine that it will be in the Tesla X / JLR 70th Limited Edition area, which would kill that dream for me, and I suspect many others. We shall see. Does anyone know the dimensions? It looks to be be as wide as a Humvee, which could be an issue in the UK. |
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28th Feb 2018 8:50am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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105" Wheelbase - Defender 110 - 110"
150" Length - Defender DCPU 180" 76.5" Width - Defender 70" 73.5" Height - Defender 78.7" to 86" 68" Rear Track - Defender 110 58.5" That's for this one:  Click image to enlarge The double cab one is obviously longer - 9 inches in the chassis: "Adding the 2 doors creates a new overall vehicle length of 159 inches and new wheelbase of 114 inches. While the truck will have the same class‐leading ground clearance (15.5 in), adjustable wheel travel (+5/‐ 5 in), approach (56) and departure angles (53) it will have a new breakover angle of 31 degrees." Click image to enlarge |
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28th Feb 2018 1:38pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17372
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That is interesting, so it slips in just under the 6'6" width, which is a great advantage (there are more 6'6" width restrictions that 6' restrictions), and is much narrower than a HUMVEE.
Any idea on unladen, kerb, and gross weights? This will influence driver licensing and a whole host of other operating issues. |
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28th Feb 2018 1:55pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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3900 lbs Total Vehicle Weight
295 lbs Chassis Weight 10.8 Power / Weight Ratio 6000 lbs Towing Capacity 6000 lbs Payload Capacity 10001 lbs GVWR 50/50 Weight Balance |
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28th Feb 2018 2:10pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17372
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That's interesting. So unless for the UK market it is down-plated considerably for GVW it will be an HGV and require a Cat C licence, as well as an O Licence for commercial use. I guess that down-plating would make sense.
To manage (what is presumably) a kerb weight of 3900lbs on a battery-powered vehicle seems pretty good going. I imagine that those figures are for the SWB version and the LWB will be a tad heavier. |
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28th Feb 2018 3:10pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Category B - if you passed your test before 1 January 1997 - You’re usually allowed to drive a vehicle and trailer combination up to 8,250kg.
Although Category L is for electrically propelled vehicles also? |
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28th Feb 2018 3:21pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17372
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I find the current licencing regime confusing. I thought that if you'd passed your B test pre-'97, you were also given C1 to allow the heavier vehicles, so it was actually the C1 that let you go to 8250kg not the B per se. However this certainly isn't the impression given by the .gov website.
Fortunately I have pre-97 full HGV, so in my case no problem with weights. I am not sure if there is a weight limit on electrically propelled vehicles (L), but I bet that as soon as Elon Musk's Tesla electric HGVs appear on the scene there will be. It could be quite entertaining when someone who's passed a test on a golf cart gets behind the wheel of a 44-tonne electric artic! Can you tow with a Cat L licence? |
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28th Feb 2018 3:49pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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They certainly are confusing...
I'm wondering if I will regret letting my Class 3 licence slide as the medical paperwork was tiresome... If Defender/Grenadier/Bollinger is out then I'd like to console myself with a Unimog. |
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28th Feb 2018 5:33pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Nice to see them trying something new, or rather a return to a concept that's been used before:
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15th Mar 2018 6:19am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17372
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I'm liking this more and more as the engineering details are revealed!
I really hope it will be affordable. |
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15th Mar 2018 10:07am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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More detail, interesting to hear one of the engineers say form follows function, then they brought a designer in who appears to have "added" things, the owner sent everyone home, stripped the design back to basics & that's what they are now building:
On the affordability front, there are still no actual prices yet but the following statements: "they will be quite happy to charge no less than $30,000-$40,000 for the standard 60kWh 3-door variant." "Probably $60,000 to start. That gets you batteries with a range of 120 miles. For another $8,000 or so, you can get better batteries that extend your range to 200 miles." However, "Chief marketer and spokesman Jeff Holland. The company can reach a break-even point with only modest sales, he argued, adding that it’s “a very standard back-to-basics SUT from a materials and packaging standpoint, which also saves cost.” Pricing is to be competitive with comparable SUVs available today." https://blog.caranddriver.com/off-the-grid...ff-roader/ So with over 10,000 expressions of interest, maybe demand will increase any economies of scale and the price could come down. Of course that might be wishful thinking, and demand exceeding supply could have the opposite effect. It will be interesting so find out who is the “well-known and established partner with deep experience in building on- and off-road vehicles” who will be doing the production vehicles. "The smart money may be on AM General, which did such a nice job with the civilian Hummer and who, according to its website, “has the only full-scale contract assembly facility in the United States with ample capacity to serve as the production partner for yet another OEM.” Read more: http://autoweek.com/article/green-cars/bol...z5AeR1EoE7 Looking at potential competition in the US, then there's the Workhorse W-15 pickup: Click image to enlarge "With a planned starting price of $52,000 before incentives, buyers of the electric pickup could potentially get away with the truck for a reasonable $40,000 to $45,000 after incentives in certain states and provinces." https://electrek.co/2018/01/09/workhorse-o...kup-truck/ |
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24th Mar 2018 7:27am |
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| DSC-off Member Since: 16 Oct 2014 Location: North East Posts: 1401 
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Great videos, I like the engineering details that are going into this.
It is obvious Mr Bollinger has a definite idea about what he wants to build, and that's a real truck, not another Chelsea Tractor SUV. It also shows what can be done with a relatively small budget and dedicated team. If you're willing to try... |
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24th Mar 2018 10:26am |
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| NormanD Member Since: 12 Aug 2011 Location: Bristol Posts: 286  
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Where is the Spare Wheel going? NormanD WE191
2015 110 XS Utility 2014 VW Caravelle 180 Executive |
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24th Mar 2018 11:24am |
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