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| DSC-off Member Since: 16 Oct 2014 Location: North East Posts: 1399   
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Hi, front and rear axle (differential) oil should be the the same spec on a 2015 Defender. You almost certainly will not have an "electronic, multi disc locking differential" because Landrover never made one for the old Defender.
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22nd Aug 2022 3:02pm |
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| Ianh Member Since: 17 Sep 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 1983
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on your invoice does it have a multiplier against the oil volumes I.e x2 or x3 etc
I ask as it shows 1L against the transfer box and it should take circa 2.4L before it fills to the level plug as it should do. I know that LR for normal use state that the main gearbox does not need an oil change until 200,000km’s (124k miles). However I would change that as well to keep the box in good condition. Here is a good topic on all the box and diff oils,inc volumes and specifications https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic8707.html |
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22nd Aug 2022 4:25pm |
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| APK Member Since: 13 Jan 2015 Location: London Posts: 255 
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Ianh, yes there is a multiplier on the invoice.
DSC-off, Ianh - Thank you for your responses. I am still trying to find out the difference between the below on my invoice. If the same oil is used for both front and back then why was I charged for both etc. (1) Renewal of Front Differential Fluid - LR019727 - OIL – DIFFERENTIAL, and (2) Renewal of Rear Differential Fluid - LR003156 OIL – HYPOID I called the parts section of a main dealer and they said they were not sure and would call back tomorrow 
On Rimmer Bros: LR019727 Castrol Rear Axle Oil - 1 Litre LR003156 Castrol EPX Oil 80W90 1 Litre Kind Regards APK MY2016 110 Adventure Corris Grey MY1997 110 County Station Wagon 300 Tdi Alpine White |
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22nd Aug 2022 5:04pm |
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| macfrank Member Since: 05 Nov 2015 Location: somewhere in the north Posts: 1068  
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Should be LR003156 for both axles on a standard 2015 2.2 (e.g. EPX 80W-90).
Have you got a limited-slip diff? In my experience the capability of some LR dealers writing invoices is as appaling as their service... Please tell us the amounts of fluid they have charged. Should be interesting to see... |
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22nd Aug 2022 6:36pm |
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| Ianh Member Since: 17 Sep 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 1983
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According to the invoice the oil they have put in the front diff is for limited slip differentials.
https://www.ravenol-direct.uk/ravenol-mdl-...s-1-l.html I would question them as to whether it’s an appropriate oil for a standard diff. What quantity of oil have they charged you for putting in the front diff and what quantity for putting in the rear diff? That service from LR would have cost a pretty penny. If they say they made an effor on the paperwork I would say “How can I be sure of that” and that you would like them to drain the front diff and refill with the correct spec oil; obviously no charge to you. And as a gesture of good will for a valued customer do the gearbox oil free of charge while vehicle is on the ramps. From the link I posted which is the same oil as Land Rover LR019727 RAVENOL MDL Multi-Disc Locking Transmission Fluid is a synthetic differential oil developed specifically for clutch-type lamella limited slip differentials based on high-quality solvent refined and synthetic base oils with special additive treatment for inhibition of higher stress on clutch-type lamella limited slip differentials, ensuring trouble-free transmission function. Application RAVENOL MDL Transmission Fluid was developed specifically for use in lamella limited slip differentials. Meets/ Exceeds Requirements AcDelco 10-4032 GM 92184900 Land Rover BOT 720 Land Rover LR019727 Land Rover TYK500070 VW G052196A2 for VW Touareg Characteristics RAVENOL MDL Transmission Fluid offers: excellent oxidation stability excellent protection against rust and corrosion prevents foaming outstanding extreme pressure properties excellent limited slip properties fuel savings[/b] |
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22nd Aug 2022 8:52pm |
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| APK Member Since: 13 Jan 2015 Location: London Posts: 255
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Thanks for your comments macfrank and Ianh
I doubt I have a LSD as its a standard Defender 110 (2016) The multipliers for the oils in the invoice are: OS5W30 SHELL 5W30 DIESEL x7 LR019727 OIL - DIFFERENTIAL x2 LR019727 OIL - DIFFERENTIAL x1 LR003156 OIL - HYPOID x4 TYK500010 OIL - TRANSMISSION x3 They charged me for x3 litres of LR019727 in total. Assuming the differentials take 1.7 (Page 114 of Owners handbook), I have already been charged x4 litres of LR003156 (1.7 is for just 1 differential, so x2). Hopefully that means both differentials got the LR003156 and there is an error on the invoice when referring to front differential. So what could the LR019727 be for? I looked through the invoices for the past 5 services and this is the first time I am seeing LR019727. APK MY2016 110 Adventure Corris Grey MY1997 110 County Station Wagon 300 Tdi Alpine White |
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23rd Aug 2022 12:08am |
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| macfrank Member Since: 05 Nov 2015 Location: somewhere in the north Posts: 1068
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>So what could the LLR019727 be for?
Given the quantities of the correct oil, this looks like an "error". But considering the unethical prices they usually charge for oils, I would also ask them not to round up the quantities. My dealer used 3.6 litres for both diffs, and 6 litres for diffs plus transfer box (which takes 2.3 litres). The difference to rounded up quantities amounts to a nice dinner with the wife, and that should rather be me and my wife and not the dealer and his  |
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23rd Aug 2022 6:12am |
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| Ianh Member Since: 17 Sep 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 1983
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I aree with macfrank, very probably a mistake on the invoice.
The trouble is you don’t know which oil they incorrectly invoiced for and what oil they put in the diffs ! They may say they inadvertently added the LSD oil to the bill. After all, that’s the easy solution for them, they just refund the cost. However what if they put the incorrect oil in the diffs, put it on the invoice , then thought they had missed putting the correct diff oil on the invoice ,and then added it. You would now have incorrect oil in your diffs. Note the person doing the work is generally not the person doing the invoice in a main dealer so that could easily happen. So how can they prove which mistake they actually made? If me I would explain my concerns as above and insist they renew the oil in both diffs with the known correct oil free of charge, refund the monies for the incorrect LSD oil, and by way of apology provide some financial recompense, ideally a free main gearbox oil change. Ps. I know having a main dealer history is thought to be the best service history to have. However in reality, especially for our older defenders, a good independent defender specialist will do a better job, be able to update the online service history, and do it all at a much lower price than a main dealer, even when using genuine parts like filters etc. |
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23rd Aug 2022 11:53am |
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| APK Member Since: 13 Jan 2015 Location: London Posts: 255
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If I could go back to the dealer I would.
This however is an invoice from a few months ago and the management at the dealership has since moved from Guy Salmon to Sytner so even if it is the same staff, the liability etc would have changed. You never really know what they do when they work inside the service area and whilst I have always been assured of a 'master technician' this is not the first time mistakes have been made. All I can do now is purchase the oils and filters myself and watch it being done by a trusted mechanic/independent. The only reason I checked in detail was because I was hoping to learn to service both Defenders myself anyway. It would be ideal if there was a garage dedicated to L316 Defenders where you could just rent a ramp and get some guidance on how to service your own vehicles. Maybe a weekend workshop for enthusiasts. They could offer a bundle on service kits, accessories and maybe a coffee/pint afterwards. 
Thanks again for all your comments. APK MY2016 110 Adventure Corris Grey MY1997 110 County Station Wagon 300 Tdi Alpine White |
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23rd Aug 2022 12:41pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17351 
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Which nowadays probably only means you got the 16-year-old work experience lad. After his 18th birthday he'll become "mister technician". |
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23rd Aug 2022 3:02pm |
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| macfrank Member Since: 05 Nov 2015 Location: somewhere in the north Posts: 1068
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@blackwolf exactly that has happend to me; resulted in a forgotten spanner on the brakes and spilled brake fluid (I posted about it elsewhere). Reminds me, I still have that bottle of champagne they gave me as part of their apology - I thought "ok, I'll open it when that covid thing will be over"...
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@APK I'm with Ian re an independent. As soon as the warranty was over I started doing some service tasks on my own, others were done by a trusted indy. Changing diff oils is propably the easiest task you can start with (apart from the air filter): get a decent oil tray (wide and deep), remove the filler plug, remove the drain plug and let the oil drain, have a cuppa in the meantime, screw in the drain plug (get a magnetic one if not already present), tighten it "reasonably" strong (they're tapered threads), fill in diff oil until it starts flowing from the filler hole, screw in the filler plug, have a beer to celebrate |
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23rd Aug 2022 3:29pm |
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| Ianh Member Since: 17 Sep 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 1983
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For the 2.2 ( expect same for 300 TDI) the good news is you don’t need a ramp to change engine oil, engine oil filter, diff oil, gearbox oil, transfer box oil, fuel filter or air filter. And that lot covers most regular service fluids and filters. For that you need a reasonable socket set, a torque wrench ( I know experienced people torque by feel, but I still use one where I can) a big oil drain pan (circa 10l to catch the 7l of engine oil) , a funnel for clean oil and one for dirty oil, 1.5m of 12mm Outside diameter clear tube ( oil into gearbox fed via engine bay) , an oil suction pump to fill diffs and transfer case, a measuring jug for Geabox oil on 2.2 and as you will have a canister oil filter an oil filter wrench. Ohh and some alien keys or star bits depending what they used on your gearbox plugs. The cost of those tools will be recovered by doing your first 2 services. Ps if you want the front end up a little get two 2ft lengths of 6x 3 inch timber, place in front of front wheels and drive into them
As for how to do, I’m sure experienced members nearby would let you watch them do any of those oil / filter changes or perhaps help you on your first go at them. |
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23rd Aug 2022 7:27pm |
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| APK Member Since: 13 Jan 2015 Location: London Posts: 255
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Thank you for the list Iainh
Very timely as that is exactly what I plan to do. Been watching youtube videos and getting a list of all the oils and filters ready to order. I found a Land Rover mechanic who was willing to assist me but he has been unwell lately. Hoping to hear back from him soon. I don't have a driveway, just an allocated parking bay so I ideally need some space to do all this. I can't risk my neighbour reversing onto my legs when I am under the vehicle  APK
MY2016 110 Adventure Corris Grey MY1997 110 County Station Wagon 300 Tdi Alpine White |
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23rd Aug 2022 11:42pm |
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| 100inch Member Since: 15 May 2012 Location: Brunswick Posts: 411  
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This what clubs and friends are for! Understand that any business owner/ manager would be scared for life to have that one person in his shop with no basic understanding of self-preservation, but on the other hand refers all the time to YouTube and that 'his mate' can do it better& cheaper. 
I've done this a few times now with my friends who own mainly Australian 110 Perenties. Being more than one person working on a single car also means decent progress. Drinks afterwards. Perfect. m |
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24th Aug 2022 3:44am |
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