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| Wild Card 90 Member Since: 03 Dec 2014 Location: Gerlingen Posts: 1060   
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Iīm not absolutely convinced that a DC version is under this disguise. However if they do release the "new" G in a DC version, in addition to two wheelbasew versions of Stationwagon, it will fit in just fine.
 Click image to enlarge Land Rover, you better hurry up now! http://www.motor1.com/news/133659/mercedes-g-class-pickup-spied/ Stephen 1998 Tdi 90 SW, 2008 Td4 90 SW, 2012 2.2 90 SW, 2" raised Trailmaster/Terrafirma Heavy Track Raids, 255 MTīs, Recaro CSīs, anorak, wellingtons |
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17th Jan 2017 7:36am |
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| GREENI Member Since: 22 Aug 2010 Location: staffs Posts: 10383 
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It took me 2 years to re- build just one!!!
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17th Jan 2017 8:16am |
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| Wild Card 90 Member Since: 03 Dec 2014 Location: Gerlingen Posts: 1060
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To begin with, I too am frustrated at how long LR is taking to replace the Defender.
However, I do have a little insight into how big companies deal with such challenges. Evolution is great. Not inventing the wheel again and having a heritage to build on makes the job easier. Only changing parts that need to be improved keeps the cost of development down. The been-counters love that. The customer likes it too. He can follow without too much effort, and can quickly identify with the newest version of a product. Something he recognises combined with something he may well find useful. Eventually it catches up with you, and the areas that need to be changed encompass the whole of the vehicle. There is nothing on the current Defender that can be carried over onto a 2018, 2020 or 2022 Defender. Not one bolt! Time for a white sheet of paper. Take a look at a racing series, like F1. Why did Tyrrell build a 6 wheeler, Brabham the fan car or Lotus the twin chassis. Simply put. If you only copy the leading car, you can only be as fast as the leader.... but not faster. Do things differently, take chances and break new ground. In F1, it has worked again and again. In an even more expensive arena, building a modern production vehicle, the money spent has to come back in, eventually. No tax dodging sponsor, to swallow the loss. A modern motor vehicle costs upwards of 2 billion GBP to develop, and that has to recovered before a cent of profit is made, within 6 - 8 years of sales. Building a complete new and competitve vehicle that looks like the old one is possible, to a degree. This appears to be Mercedes approach with the new G and has been Jeepīs approach. Alot on here would like it, but not enough to sell 50000 (fifty thousand) units a year. When a new model comes on the market, a manufacturer like BMW, Porsche or LR can expect to sell upwards of eighty thousand X6, Cayenne or Range Rovers, for a number of years. Making the new Defender look like the state of the art answer to the "off road vehicle" question, will attract buyers from age groups and cultures that havenīt had the privilage a "Series on the farm" upbringing, or seen Daktari as a kid. Looking at the DC100 five years on, I think the LR will show us an amazing new vehicle which will nail the market. The DC100 has a lot of Defender dna, It will still take us a while to get used to it, but that is a good thing. If it is properly robust and capable, we will like it all the more, for it. Just my two cents worth. Stephen 1998 Tdi 90 SW, 2008 Td4 90 SW, 2012 2.2 90 SW, 2" raised Trailmaster/Terrafirma Heavy Track Raids, 255 MTīs, Recaro CSīs, anorak, wellingtons |
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17th Jan 2017 9:30am |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3708 
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^^^ Agreed. I think the new Defender in all its options is going to dominate the world's 4x4 SUV market. 130's have feeling's as well you know
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17th Jan 2017 11:01am |
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| discomog Member Since: 09 May 2015 Location: Notts/Lincs Border Posts: 2531 
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Yes Land Rover should have had a policy of continual development and evolution with the Defender but they didn't and the model is now consigned to the history of great British classics. As a Morgan fan as well as a Land Rover fan I know that JLR could have taken a similar approach to Morgan by keeping its loyal fan base whilst evolving their product, introducing air bags and using aerospace technology to incorporate composite aluminium chassis and body parts. However Morgan only make 14 cars a week so maybe not a wise comparison.
On the other hand JLR have released a number of new models over the last few years and all of them have been dominant in their various SUV sectors, Range Rover Sport, Range Rover Evoque, Disco 3 and 4, Disco Sport and the newly announced Disco 5 which will no doubt take more accolades. So on the whole JLR's track record has been to produce winner after winner and I have no doubt that when the new Defender is introduced it will also be a success - no it won't have a chassis and yes it will be bursting with electronics but I'm confident it will be the best 4 x 4 x far. Defender 90XS SW Mini Countryman Cooper S Morgan Plus 8 |
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17th Jan 2017 11:30am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17482 
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I agree, it will be a world beater as an SUV. I'm just not quite so sure it will be a Defender, I think that the commercial, austere, rugged, truck-based foundation will have gone, and I don't expect to see a platform for cherry-pickers, snowploughs, light armoured vehicles, etc, based on the new one. |
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17th Jan 2017 12:54pm |
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| What puddle? Member Since: 25 Oct 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 952
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Sorry, but I cannot be as uncritical of JLR as you all when it comes to the Defender. I have other criticisms of JLR too, like its failure to produce a Mokka-sized/type car/its eagerness to drop the Freelander. The Evoque I love, but couldn't ever buy one as I think it's over-priced. I would feel like I've been done over. The boxy Disco 3 and 4 I loved - can't stand the abomination that is the current one. However, it is with the time it is taken to produce the new Defender that I hold my biggest criticism for - it's just pathetic. They knew for years and years that it would have to be replaced. It IS Land Rover - yet Land Rover no longer have the vehicle that makes it so! The new one should have replaced the old one while the old one was still going! It's likely to be FIVE YEARS for crying out loud! That's just a joke - nothing short of pathetic. Like I have said before, I found nothing wrong with the DC100 apart from the grille. I STILL think it could have been great. But hey, what do I know, I'm just a plumber!
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17th Jan 2017 1:38pm |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3708
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The replacement will be the DC100 all be it a few basic alterations.
I think the delay is partly intended. By the time it's out us flat earthers will have moved on. So when the new vehicle is launched and hated by the flat earthers it will be quieter for them. 130's have feeling's as well you know |
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17th Jan 2017 1:56pm |
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| What puddle? Member Since: 25 Oct 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 952
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If that's true, that the DC100 is virtually it, then things are FAR worse than I have said! How can it take them all those years to alter the DC100??? I would at least think that it's not going to be anything like the DC100. If it were, it would have been out for some time now. I'm fully expecting something that is a world away from the DC100.
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17th Jan 2017 4:35pm |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3708
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This is what you are getting perhaps with a few trim alterations. Ps ignore the rear x member on the green one it's been photoshoped.
Click image to enlarge 130's have feeling's as well you know |
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17th Jan 2017 5:08pm |
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| Huttopia Member Since: 23 Feb 2016 Location: West Midlands Posts: 1977
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The volume of sales doesn't justify prioritising the effort to replace the Defender over working on the D5 or updating the Evoque etc. It's a hospital job.
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17th Jan 2017 5:24pm |
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| Wild Card 90 Member Since: 03 Dec 2014 Location: Gerlingen Posts: 1060
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What they showed us in 2011 was a stying model. It was quite possibly dimensionally correct, but that is about it. My guess is that what has happened in the industry and the worldwide attitude change to the motor vehicle, have caused LR to rethink their plan.
They have lost time doing so, but possibly, as Andrew suggested, will turn this into a bonus factor. 1998 Tdi 90 SW, 2008 Td4 90 SW, 2012 2.2 90 SW, 2" raised Trailmaster/Terrafirma Heavy Track Raids, 255 MTīs, Recaro CSīs, anorak, wellingtons |
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17th Jan 2017 7:54pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4722 
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Side on the bonnet area looks like a Pajero. Can't see the spare wheel being mounted that high on the rear door, there would be no view out of the rear window. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel 1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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19th Jan 2017 10:39pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4722
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I came across this on a link on the AULRO site. It's a good read.
http://www.exploringoverland.com/overland-...g-however- 1982 88" 2.25 diesel 1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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19th Jan 2017 10:53pm |
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