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| rallysteve Member Since: 10 Feb 2014 Location: Cumbria Posts: 2237   
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I put a pretty hefty first four bumper on my 110 with a Superwinch husky on it. The spring sag was about 10mm (this was with yellow/yellow standard front springs which were approx. 3yrs old). My winch has Dyneema rope which probably makes it a little lighter than one with steel wire rope but I assume you Zeon would have synthetic too.
As pretty much all 110s look nose down anyway I decided that I didn't like it anymore and fitted some OME front springs which gave approx. 35mm lift with the winch fitted and make it now sit level with the standard rear springs on my DCPU. Steve 02' 110 TD5 Double Cab Rebuild Thread |
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23rd Jan 2017 11:44am |
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| bob neville Member Since: 30 Apr 2009 Location: Marbella Posts: 3248  
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I have a heavy First Four winch bumper and TDS winch with plasma rope on my TD5 90 with standard original springs (2001 !) and it is fine.
I measured mine before and after the winch was fitted and it dropped about 8 to 10mm at the front. Stay with the standard springs and see how you get on. Bob 2015 Jaguar XE240 R Sport - goes like ....... !! 2013 Defender 90 CSW - sold 2009 Defender 110 Double Cab - sold 2001 TD5 90 CSW - offroad project - sold to a forum member 2011 Porsche Boxster - for the sunny days ! |
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23rd Jan 2017 12:55pm |
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| rallysteve Member Since: 10 Feb 2014 Location: Cumbria Posts: 2237
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For reference this was the difference that fitting OME2751s made over the standard yellow/yellow front springs:
 Click image to enlarge 02' 110 TD5 Double Cab Rebuild Thread |
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23rd Jan 2017 1:12pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17450 
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Steve,
May I ask what springs do you have at the back, and also whether you needed to fit a DC front prop with the OME springs? I have in mind at some point fitting OMEs all round to level and lift my DC, and your experiences would be appreciated. Incidentally I have a Deven 4x4 bumper with a Husky with steel rope on my DC, on standard (DC) springs. It works fine, but if I empty out the back it is rather nose down (but all DCs are nose down due to the 1 tonne suspension). So my answer to the OP would be that you don't need stiffer ot taller springs, but you might choose to fit them later if you're not happy with the standards. |
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23rd Jan 2017 1:57pm |
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| rallysteve Member Since: 10 Feb 2014 Location: Cumbria Posts: 2237
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Blackwolf,
I run a set of new-take off (or was a few years ago) from a MY2012 USW which I recall were brown/purple coded springs. I don't run any spring isolators on the rear axle but run the castellated rubber discovery ones top and bottom on the front axle which has nicely levelled out my 110. It no longer looks like it is braking hard all the time. I rarely carry any significant weight in the pickup except the 255/85 spare wheel and tyre and just have the factory PVC soft top on. I do have a blacksheep rear cross member fitted which weighs a fair bit but this is probably compensated by the fact I only now have a 2" receiver towing point which is much lighter than the previous Dixon Bate affair. I don't currently have a good photo of the side to show the stance of it now but there is only about 5mm difference front/rear from the top of the tyre to the arch spats. I was going to fit OME rears but my calculations indicate that the rear would end up lifted and a bit too stiff without any load in. The 2751 fronts are pretty much identical to the factory 110HD/130 front springs in terms of spring rate and free length. I calculated the lift I would get for various combinations of fitment and the OME2751s + 2x spring isolators per side was perfect. I don't run a DC front prop, nor extended brake lines. As I still have standard LR gas shocks and standard height turrets the brake lines cant over extend. Haven't noticed any vibration from the front prop at all. I don't really consider it to be lifted, just the height it should be at really. The ride is a little more jarring over bumps with the stiffer front springs but still no worse than I would expect from a defender. Body roll is reduced a fair bit too although I have no ARBs. Let me know if you want to know anything else. Cheers, Steve 02' 110 TD5 Double Cab Rebuild Thread |
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23rd Jan 2017 2:29pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17450
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Much obliged, thank you!
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23rd Jan 2017 2:40pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20453
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I wouldn't worry myself much but remember you can add castellated isolators and still use the same springs.
If you did this on the front only it'd give you around 1/2" lift back plus a better ride quality. I've got these all round and my 90 is a little nose down too, but frankly I think it drives better and with a load on it evens out. I wouldn't be surprised if modern winches are somewhat lighter than they used to be too. I No Guts, No Glory. 🇬🇧ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ðŸ‡®ðŸ‡ªðŸ‡ºðŸ‡¸â›½ï¸ðŸ›¢ï¸âš™ï¸ðŸ§°ðŸ’ª |
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23rd Jan 2017 4:13pm |
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| mick Member Since: 08 Feb 2010 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 2109  
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I stuck to original springs on mine no issues at all
IMO the factory springs are as good or better than aftermarket ones |
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23rd Jan 2017 7:13pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20453
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"I stuck to original springs on mine no issues at all
IMO the factory springs are as good or better than aftermarket ones" Agree. No Guts, No Glory.
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23rd Jan 2017 7:17pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8065  
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it will sag a little with the weight on the front which spring isolators or box section under the spring cups are ways of lifting it back up.
you can get away with a 35mm lift on a puma without prop vibration issues or premature wear. you dont need to extend brake lines for that type of lift in my experience unless fitting some form of dislocation or longer shocks. LR 90 HD rear springs on the front will also level a 110 with winch and are not a bad option for the £ Cheers James 110 2012 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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24th Jan 2017 10:20am |
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| Yannis Member Since: 02 Feb 2015 Location: Oxfordshire / Milan Posts: 408 
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Can anyone with a MY14 (or later) Standard 90 measure the front arch height for me? Just fitted a Warn 9.5ti and Devon clumban bumper and forgot to measure the height of the arches before to see the sag I get...
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24th Jan 2017 5:54pm |
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