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BuckBlu110



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United Kingdom 1994 Defender 110 BMW M57 3.0 Diesel CSW Buckingham Blue
Squeaky brakes!!!
Back in The spring I had my 110 in for a bit of a check over, by a local garage, for a long journey up to the highlands. the rear pads were changed as they were a little low. When I got it back the rear brakes were squealing like holy hell under even the slightest of pressure. Long story short, rather than take it back to this garage to get it sorted, (as every time I took it to this place it seemed to come back with more wrong with it than when I took it Rolling Eyes ) I decided to sort it myself as I would know of it being done properly, I usually do as much work on it myself but I was particularly busy with work this time so got someone else to do the graft.
Any way, after about a week or so trying to bed the things in a bit, got fed up with the deafening sound coming from the brakes, so bought a set of new mintex pads and discs, for the rear. Got them all fitted and working fine, and the squeal had gone! Peace at last! Unfortunately it only lasted a week and the squeal was back and as bad as ever! Took the pads out and liberally applied copper slip to the rear of the pads and all was well again for about a week, and yep, you guessed it the squeal came back, although not anywhere near as bad and now intermitent. It was just about bearable and so I lived with it up until about two weeks ago and now the squeal is as loud as ever, but still intermitent. I can be driving down a long hill and have my foot on the brake the whole time, and at no point does it even let up!
I've done a bit of research on it and am at a bit of a loss Confused I've looked into brake shims but can't find anywhere that sells them, and by the sound of it only do as much as what the copper slip does and stops vibration.
It's a 94 110 300tdi, so with the Salisbury rear axle. Any one got any ideas what might cure it?
Thanks
Post #443798 6th Aug 2015 5:01pm
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munch90



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Mintex used to be one of the best , but not now , the ones you get from motorfactors now seem to be a cheap budget pad

personally i wouldn't use them , ive always usèd apec for my own stuff and fitted hundreds if not thousands of sets to customers car and not had one complaint ever ( did try the green stuff pads once in my defender , changed back to apec after few miles , found the green stuff useless )

i would try a different pad first before doing extra work of changing discs as well

ive used copper slip for years with no problem , but the latest thing is ceramic grease , might be worth a try
Post #443810 6th Aug 2015 6:24pm
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Rickydodah



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Re: Squeaky brakes!!!
BuckBlu110 wrote:
Back in The spring I had my 110 in for a bit of a check over, by a local garage, for a long journey up to the highlands. the rear pads were changed as they were a little low. When I got it back the rear brakes were squealing like holy hell under even the slightest of pressure. Long story short, rather than take it back to this garage to get it sorted, (as every time I took it to this place it seemed to come back with more wrong with it than when I took it Rolling Eyes ) I decided to sort it myself as I would know of it being done properly, I usually do as much work on it myself but I was particularly busy with work this time so got someone else to do the graft.
Any way, after about a week or so trying to bed the things in a bit, got fed up with the deafening sound coming from the brakes, so bought a set of new mintex pads and discs, for the rear. Got them all fitted and working fine, and the squeal had gone! Peace at last! Unfortunately it only lasted a week and the squeal was back and as bad as ever! Took the pads out and liberally applied copper slip to the rear of the pads and all was well again for about a week, and yep, you guessed it the squeal came back, although not anywhere near as bad and now intermitent. It was just about bearable and so I lived with it up until about two weeks ago and now the squeal is as loud as ever, but still intermitent. I can be driving down a long hill and have my foot on the brake the whole time, and at no point does it even let up!
I've done a bit of research on it and am at a bit of a loss Confused I've looked into brake shims but can't find anywhere that sells them, and by the sound of it only do as much as what the copper slip does and stops vibration.
It's a 94 110 300tdi, so with the Salisbury rear axle. Any one got any ideas what might cure it?
Thanks


Personally I've never ever had a problem with any Mintex product and they're my product of choice because they offer excellent value for the average user, they're not the best but not many vehicles require high spec braking systems. Defender rear pads are asymmetric and they may have merely been fitted incorrectly. Isolating shims do help and sometimes are the only answer as they allow the pad to move in relation to the caliper and caliper piston without vibrating or at least at a frequency only a Labrador would hear. I'd start by checking the orientation of the pads and fit shims, shims can be fabricated from shim stock if you can't find the correct ones. Some people swear by copper slip and some by ceramic grease, personally I've tried both and so far not found one to be above the other. Brake squeal is more of a problem since asbestos was banned as asbestos free products are notoriously abrasive and produce a lot of dust and prematurely wear discs which causes squeal but normally more with life expired components rather than new. Good luck Thumbs Up I started with nothing and still have most of it left!
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BuckBlu110



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United Kingdom 1994 Defender 110 BMW M57 3.0 Diesel CSW Buckingham Blue
Thanks for the replies guys, I've used mintex for years on my other cars without problem, but this was the first time I used them on the defender, think I'll try the genuine pads as they come with the shims apparently, or the Apec pads and if that doesn't work then I'll look into new discs too. Thanks for the help Thumbs Up
Post #443832 6th Aug 2015 7:27pm
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Dave-H



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I'm with munch .. we stopped using mintex a while back because of an increasing number of returns for brake squeal.

apec or valeo are the main two brands we now fit ... Thumbs Up Guns and Landrovers .... anything else is irrelevant.
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custom90



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I've got EBC green stuff on now, next time will go back to Genuine.
They are okay, but get too hot for my liking on long steep descents.
Probably due to having genuine solid discs but still OE are actually very good.
Post #443850 6th Aug 2015 8:31pm
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munch90



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I found the ebc the worst ive fitted , gave up on them after couple of hunderd miles , as said went back to apec

certainly wouldnt pay the extra for genuine, land rover dont make pads all your paying for is the box
Post #443859 6th Aug 2015 8:49pm
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Pickles



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I'd always be trying to use O.E. Pads.
But seeing as how you've changed the pads & still got a squeal, it may not be just the pads.
Could it be possible, that if you've not had the discs machined, there is a "residual/film/deposit" etc on the surface of the disc, which would cause the squeal.
Maybe you'll have to machine your discs & fit new O.E. pads?
I'm not sure what the bedding in procedure for these pads will be, because they're all different.
With our C63, we were told to do 10 quick stops from 100KPH, BUT NOT TO STOP, get 'em smokn, they said,...and I did!!....never had a squeak. But that was a performance pad, probably different to O.E Defender items.
Pickles.
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custom90



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I was told circa 200 - 250 miles they would be generally bedded in.
Post #443891 6th Aug 2015 10:23pm
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munch90



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Pickles wrote:
I'd always be trying to use O.E. Pads.
But seeing as how you've changed the pads & still got a squeal, it may not be just the pads.
Could it be possible, that if you've not had the discs machined, there is a "residual/film/deposit" etc on the surface of the disc, which would cause the squeal.
Maybe you'll have to machine your discs & fit new O.E. pads?
I'm not sure what the bedding in procedure for these pads will be, because they're all different.
With our C63, we were told to do 10 quick stops from 100KPH, BUT NOT TO STOP, get 'em smokn, they said,...and I did!!....never had a squeak. But that was a performance pad, probably different to O.E Defender items.
Pickles.


not many places in uk now machine discs ( not for normal cars anyway ) , to machine a disc properly you need to machine both sides at once , cant be done at a machine shop with lathe as on a lathe you would cut one side then turn disc and cut other side which means a possibility of one side being out of paralle with the other ( yes it can be done but price of setting up time its cheaper to buy new discs )

I have a disc machine sitting in workshop , last time at was used was for a set of Maserati discs that were 300 quid each about 10 years ago !
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BuckBlu110



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Managed to find a set of genuine pads and shims for £40, will see how I get on with them. I did try a similar method to that out of desperation Pickles, but didn't always manage to get up to 100kph, the old girl struggles to get that fast on some of the roads round here Laughing too many narrow, twisty roads. Just seems odd that it's done it with two sets of pads and discs.
My old man, who owned the 110 before me, reckons that the old discs and pads that were changed by the mechanic, were genuine, and that he remembers having them fitted,but can't remember weather they had shims fitted or not. Just wondering if they did in fact have them fitted and the mechanic left them off when he fitted the new pads??


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Post #443922 7th Aug 2015 7:36am
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munch90



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might be worth de glazing the discs before new pads fitted , just slight rub with emery cloth round them may help

you may know this , but pads and discs need running in , so light steady braking for couple of hundred miles ( of course in emergency brake as you need to )

if you brake hard or get pads/discs hot when new they glaze and will never be any good
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blackwolf



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I have had exactly this problem in the past and the only pads which I have found can (more or less) be guaranteed not to squeal are Genuine Psrts. Bummer really since they are the most expensive!

Even OEM pads often squeal.

The plus to genuine LR supplied pads - apart from the lack of squealing - is that you get new pins and new anti-squeal shims with the set of pads; most other makes you don't.

They'll still rattle though.

Also make sure that the shims are fitted the correct way round - it is not unknown for them to be reversed, and if so they'll generally make the problem worse not better.
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landy andy



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My old Td5 would always squeal. New Pads (many brands). New discs. Even new callipers. Still squealed. Only time the stopped was with original Land Rover pass fitted. Now that's all I will fit, they also come with all the shims and fitting kit.

Andy
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BuckBlu110



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Munch, I think I'll do that just to be sure, they don't look glazed, but it can't hurt surely?
Blackwolf, any ideas which way round the shims are fitted? Or are they obviously sided?
Thanks all.
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