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| dippyhull Member Since: 20 Jun 2012 Location: East Yorks, UK Posts: 36   
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HI all - a mate has had this shaft changed twice he thinks (once before he purchased the vehicle) - do we know if the code on the shaft is including a date of 2014?
Thanks  Click image to enlarge MY12 110 XS Ute, silver & grey now... '75 109 fire engine (nearly ready to roll)... Last edited by dippyhull on 8th Nov 2016 10:18am. Edited 2 times in total |
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8th Nov 2016 9:39am |
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| dippyhull Member Since: 20 Jun 2012 Location: East Yorks, UK Posts: 36
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Thanks Ian - it's not quite proof but then equally it looks pretty flipping likely... MY12 110 XS Ute, silver & grey now...
'75 109 fire engine (nearly ready to roll)... |
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8th Nov 2016 10:13am |
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| ian series 1 Member Since: 17 Nov 2014 Location: south Posts: 3127 
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It's an early 2010 so 09 date would add up.
I've got another one somewhere? I will dig it out. 80" 80" 86" 88" 90" Wanted, Forward Control Anything considered. |
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8th Nov 2016 10:22am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17387 
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Most LR parts seem to have the manufacturing date on them now, so I think that it is highly likely.
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8th Nov 2016 10:44am |
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| dippyhull Member Since: 20 Jun 2012 Location: East Yorks, UK Posts: 36
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Reason he is interested is it means it really only lasted ~20K miles - I expect there are a lot of threads here I ought to go read ... MY12 110 XS Ute, silver & grey now...
'75 109 fire engine (nearly ready to roll)... |
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8th Nov 2016 10:47am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17387
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Yes, many, many postings on the subject. 20k miles is not unusual, it isn't unknown for them to fail at under 10k. For some reason pre-2010 shafts seem to last longer than 2010 and later, perhaps 2010 is when Cadbury started making them.
You might want to look at the Ashcroft Transmissions upgraded shaft kit, which addresses the fundamental design problem. I have not yet heard of an Ashcroft shaft failing in service. http://www.ashcroft-transmissions.co.uk/mt...t-kit.html |
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8th Nov 2016 10:56am |
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| shaggydog Member Since: 12 Aug 2012 Location: Kent Posts: 3347 
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Made me laugh   Running Restoration Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/post323197.html#323197
Self confessed mileage hunter  |
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8th Nov 2016 12:45pm |
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| dippyhull Member Since: 20 Jun 2012 Location: East Yorks, UK Posts: 36
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sort of not funny though ... but funny ... have me wondering why mine is fine at 30K - wondering if best strip it out and grease/replace it MY12 110 XS Ute, silver & grey now...
'75 109 fire engine (nearly ready to roll)... |
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8th Nov 2016 12:49pm |
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| miket Member Since: 05 Oct 2012 Location: Peak District Posts: 143 |
I've had two replaced on my MY09 110. One failed in 2013 (marked with '08' and so was presumably on from new) and it's replacement which failed only 14 months later in 2014 (marked with a '13').
The second one was fitted without any grease and so it's not surprising that it failed after approx. 14,000 miles. I made sure that the current one was very well greased when it was fitted. and it's a shame the Ashcroft replacement wasn't available at the time... Mike |
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8th Nov 2016 1:03pm |
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| shaggydog Member Since: 12 Aug 2012 Location: Kent Posts: 3347
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Appologies
It is disgraceful that they haven't sorted a fix for it under the assumption that people will just keep coming back to buy new ones. General rule seems to be wait for it to go and then replace it, some last hardly any time, some last a long time and by taking it apart to grease it you may end up doing more harm then good. Running Restoration Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/post323197.html#323197 Self confessed mileage hunter |
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8th Nov 2016 1:03pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17387
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^^ As you say, disgraceful. LR will replace it (repeatedly if necessary) until the vehicle is out of warranty, then you're on your own.
I remain baffled by the huge disparity in the length of time that these shafts last. My 2007 DC is on its original and has now done 198,266 miles on it. As far as I know it is still ok, and I think that the driveline slop and noise I currently have is down the clutch being shot 50k miles after fitting. When I examined the adaptor splines 18 months/50k miles ago when I fitted the clutch (so at 150k miles) it was a better and tighter fit than the brand new replacement I had lined up to fit, even though there was nothing recognisable as lubericant on it. I remain convinced that there are two factors at play here. One is that the quality of the components has reduced on later models, and the second, possibily more significant factor is that there are misalignent issues between some MT82/LT230 gearboxes resulting in the coupling not running straight. I cannot see otherwise why there is such a difference between vehciles made at similar times. Since i changed the transfer box at the time of the last clutch change it has been in my mind that I may have introduced a problem on my vehicle. It will be interesting to re-inspect the coupling when the next clutch goes in. This will be soon, given that the clutch is also made by Cadbury and has a life expectancy of c. 50k miles before it becomes too horrible to enjoy. It is more or less at the "too horrible" stage now, very "grabby" on engagement. I don't think that there is much spring left in the springs, even though it isn't rattling. |
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8th Nov 2016 5:14pm |
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| Marmite Member Since: 19 Oct 2016 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 1 
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Hi All,
It's my Defender that is the cause of this thread, so thanks to all who have replied with information, and it is good to have a sense of humour about these things. I was told by the previous owner that he had this done under warranty, but had no paperwork, as it was not a job he had to pay for, so no invoice, but reason to believe that this warranty work was carried out in November 2014. This means that this replacement has lasted less that 2 years and the car has needed 2 in under 4 years and 45k miles. The last 20k or so have been with me driving and I am slightly ashamed to admit have involved very few offroad or towing miles, but that means that its not hard work that has caused this one to fail. After a bit of research, I decided I might as well give the Ashcroft replacement a go, rather than put back another OE one that would almost certainly need swapping again in a few years, so hopefully that's the last time it will need doing. Unfortunately, the thing failed whilst I was 300 miles from the nearest LR dealer in Sweden, so it cost me a pretty penny for the work. LR Customer Services have so far refused to tell me if they have a record of this warranty work, supposedly for Data Protection reasons, as I was not the owner at the time. I invited Land Rover to contribute to the cost of having the failed component replaced, but their answer has been that as I didn't put a OE part in, and it wasn't their dealer that did the work, they can not help. I seem to remember reading that Land Rover supply a 2 year warranty on parts, so if this was replaced in late 2014, the shaft should still be in warranty? Does anyone with an official Land Rover hat on know if that is the case? Has anyone had any more luck dealing with customer services for what seems to be a ongoing design or manufacturing quality problem? |
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8th Nov 2016 9:04pm |
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| miket Member Since: 05 Oct 2012 Location: Peak District Posts: 143 |
When my adaptor shaft failed the first time, my Defender was a few months out of warranty and I got it repaired at a local Indy.
I did follow up with Land Rover customer services, however, and after some discussion they agreed to give me £250 to spend at a dealer (I used it to get some new tyres). Mike |
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10th Nov 2016 7:27am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17387
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I think it's only one year. |
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10th Nov 2016 10:50am |
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