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| ceefax Member Since: 19 Apr 2015 Location: Near Sheffield Posts: 31   
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With only a couple of thousand miles on the clock my 90 is going back for warranty repair - the front output seal on the transfer box is leaking, so after every run there's a little puddle of gearbox oil on the driveway. While I was under the vehicle looking for the source of the leak, I grabbed hold of the front propshaft, and was surprised at just how far I can turn it backwards and forwards (with the vehicle on the ground) - maybe 10-15 degrees of movement? Turning it produces a loud "clonk" from within the transfer box, so it's not surprising smooth gearchanges are so difficult! I would really appreciate some help on what is "normal" and "acceptable" before I take it in, I will be showing the service manager the issue, but am bracing myself for the "they all do that sir" reply! Thanks! |
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7th Aug 2016 10:53am |
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| ceefax Member Since: 19 Apr 2015 Location: Near Sheffield Posts: 31
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Hmmmm - 120 views and not a single reply.
I've taken to walking the streets asking Puma owners if I can twist their propshafts 
so far I've tried three others, and they all have a little play, but nothing like as bad as mine. It's going in next week so I will see what they say. |
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12th Aug 2016 2:53pm |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471 
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If the play is worse in yours than others of a similar age / mileage then it's worth pressing the matter with the dealer, if they get snotty find a decent dealer. Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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12th Aug 2016 4:52pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20382
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Sounds simple but it's worth checking the difference between the rear prop and front.
They can vary, obviously make sure it's either on a lift or completely secured as you'd need it out of gear and handbrake off for the rear. Mines got a bit of play, about 6 - 10 degrees I'd say at a guess - I'd say about normal in my case @ 52k |
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12th Aug 2016 6:00pm |
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| Marks Landy Member Since: 09 Feb 2015 Location: Cheshire Posts: 299 
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Give it a good greasing and see if it helps.
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12th Aug 2016 6:57pm |
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| ceefax Member Since: 19 Apr 2015 Location: Near Sheffield Posts: 31
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Propshafts UJ's are tight. no movement there at all.
Parked up, in gear, with the handbrake on, the slack / backlash is in both the front diff or axle and inside the transfer box. The weird thing is that the "clonk" which stops me hand turning the propshaft any further is coming from the transfer box - suggesting there's even more slack in the front axle somewhere ? 
Anyhow - will take it back in and see what they say. And thanks for the feedback and advice! |
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14th Aug 2016 12:42pm |
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| keef9t Member Since: 13 Mar 2016 Location: manchester Posts: 170 
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Having only ever owned used Defenders, I'm used to backlash in the transmission and use the clutch carefully to try to avoid "clunk" and breaking anything. Always assumed wear and tear takes it's toll over the years. Interesting to hear of a relatively new model with backlash. Mine has 85000 miles on the clock. In gear, handbrake off, with wheels chocked, I measure 25mm rotation at the handbrake drum, before it "clunks". The play seems to be in the transfer box. Not got round to checking half shaft/drive plate play yet.
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14th Aug 2016 6:34pm |
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| nickhodgson Member Since: 08 Dec 2009 Location: Zambia Posts: 174 
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The 'play' you describe in the transfer box and front diff sound normal compared to all the defender I have and have previously had. Unfortunately with a Defender you do have to drive with more care when releasing the clutch to reduce clunk noises and associated wear from the drive train.
Yes compare it to another Defender can be helpful but also monitor any driveline whining/whurring when you are on the move. 1995 300tdi Defender 90 P/UP 2011 Puma Defender 130 D/C 2000 300tdi Defender 110 P/UP 2015 Discovery 4 SDV6 HSE |
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17th Aug 2016 5:36am |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471
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As I've said in the past on here before, you could line up several factory fresh or virtually new Defenders and each would drive differently, some would be spot on without a hint of play whereas others would feel as slack as a slack thing can be. Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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17th Aug 2016 9:06am |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8033 
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that amount of play sounds acceptable to me Cheers
James 110 2012 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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17th Aug 2016 4:09pm |
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