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KGH

Member Since: 01 Feb 2015
Location: Florida Keys
Posts: 61

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 HT Keswick Green

Blown Main Fuse HELP Please

Vacation, 14 days, last stop Paris. I used a truck/RV park garage. When I retrieved truck after 4 days, dead battery. No lights left on, Engel fridge definite "off" position.

No jump start attempted. No knowledge of "lock-unlock" or other immobilizer or key proceedures on my part at this time

The attendant helped me push start, drove back to hotel, loaded up wife and kids whilst car running, figured if it ran a while it would recharge battery.

Paris to Stuttgart: Stopped for fuel, as we slowed to a crawl I shut off engine and attempted to restart with key, nothing. Popped clutch and fired up. Fueled up while running and moved on.

Outside Metz, seemed AC was not blowing very cold..50km later 3 Amigos pop up. Turn off AC and they went away...20km later they are back along with limp mode and all guages go flatline. Truck on shoulder of road for 4km and we found an exit from motorway. Truck idles for a bit, then dies. Turn key, nothing.

Flatbed comes, attempts a jump, nothin. Company hauls to German Dealer, who tell me "main fuse" is blown. I believe this means the main fuse link. Do not know specific one, car is 2.5 hours away! They replace, and have started and shut down car, driven around, and all is "güt" as they say here.

So, did the garage in Paris somehow trip immobilizer? Led to no start? Would car run with push start in this condition?
Why limp mode?

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Let us hope this is not natural habitat...

I imagine fuse link blew on jump start attempt? Would the car have even run with blown main fuse link? 2013 110 - Keswick Green
1995 ExRAF 110 Utility
1986 127 HCPU
1985 110 PU
2012 Disco4

6th Aug 2016 9:24am

KGH

Member Since: 01 Feb 2015
Location: Florida Keys
Posts: 61

Hello...anyone....

2013 110 - Keswick Green
1995 ExRAF 110 Utility
1986 127 HCPU
1985 110 PU
2012 Disco4

6th Aug 2016 1:39pm

dorsetsmith

Member Since: 30 Oct 2011
Location: South West
Posts: 4554

http://www.defender2.net/forum/post79150.html

500 Amp Fuse on the battery + side Part Number: YQF500030

puma tdci 2.4 under driver seat fuse box fuses STC 1757 100 amp blue

stc 1758 60 yellow , stc1759 40 amp green , stc 1760 30 amp Pink

puma tdci 2.2 dash fuse box Lr o75976 yellow 60amp, lr 075974 green 40 amp lr030045 pink 30 amp

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6th Aug 2016 1:50pm

dorsetsmith

Member Since: 30 Oct 2011
Location: South West
Posts: 4554

2.4 TDCi starting drawing

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no

if look at wiring drawing main fuse go to start motor and alt the coil will pull in but no 12 volts to main contacts on starter

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6th Aug 2016 1:54pm

KGH

Member Since: 01 Feb 2015
Location: Florida Keys
Posts: 61

This helps, from what I read the glow plugs would continue to be powered with only battery power if main fuse blown.

Brown green and orange continue to have 12VDC.

So could run with push start.

Trying to figure why alternator did not keep charge to battery... 2013 110 - Keswick Green
1995 ExRAF 110 Utility
1986 127 HCPU
1985 110 PU
2012 Disco4

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6th Aug 2016 2:16pm

dorsetsmith

Member Since: 30 Oct 2011
Location: South West
Posts: 4554

2.4 puma or 2.2 ?

6th Aug 2016 2:20pm

KGH

Member Since: 01 Feb 2015
Location: Florida Keys
Posts: 61

2013 2.2
LHD.

I appreciate your help. 2013 110 - Keswick Green
1995 ExRAF 110 Utility
1986 127 HCPU
1985 110 PU
2012 Disco4

6th Aug 2016 2:22pm

KGH

Member Since: 01 Feb 2015
Location: Florida Keys
Posts: 61

ECU prob saw error and somehow alt did not charge battery. Hence cascading failure...AC, then # amigos, then check engine, then no gauge function, then dead. 2013 110 - Keswick Green
1995 ExRAF 110 Utility
1986 127 HCPU
1985 110 PU
2012 Disco4

6th Aug 2016 2:23pm

KGH

Member Since: 01 Feb 2015
Location: Florida Keys
Posts: 61

It seems more and more like the garage guys tried to jump, could not locate battery, and somehow shorted to ground and popped that big ass fuse. 2013 110 - Keswick Green
1995 ExRAF 110 Utility
1986 127 HCPU
1985 110 PU
2012 Disco4

6th Aug 2016 2:25pm

dorsetsmith

Member Since: 30 Oct 2011
Location: South West
Posts: 4554

i have 2012 drawing will up date soon as first drawing posted for 2007 2.4 and not your defender

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MY 2012 drawing for your defender

6th Aug 2016 2:39pm

KGH

Member Since: 01 Feb 2015
Location: Florida Keys
Posts: 61

This helps.

Again, can see where truck MAYBE would run (push start) depending on what else is happening with ECU. 2013 110 - Keswick Green
1995 ExRAF 110 Utility
1986 127 HCPU
1985 110 PU
2012 Disco4

6th Aug 2016 3:23pm

K9F

Member Since: 12 Nov 2009
Location: Bournemouth
Posts: 9610

2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

Diesels will run without battery as they are not sparked ignition. Everything else you will lose. Not sure how the ecu figures into the overall scheme of things but basically as long as a diesel engine receives fuel it does not need any electrics to keep it going. If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!

6th Aug 2016 6:09pm

mk1collector

Member Since: 17 Sep 2009
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 6769

Alternator might be dead so not charging hence flat battery and the jump start probably popped the fuse. Ray
My build thread
http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic17615.html

6th Aug 2016 6:31pm

Cupboard

Member Since: 21 Mar 2014
Location: Suffolk
Posts: 2971

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 HT Corris Grey

K9F wrote:
Diesels will run without battery as they are not sparked ignition. Everything else you will lose. Not sure how the ecu figures into the overall scheme of things but basically as long as a diesel engine receives fuel it does not need any electrics to keep it going.

If they have mechanically controlled injection and fuel pumps, however the 2.2 has an electric lift pump and electronically controlled injection so I don't think it would run with no battery?

7th Aug 2016 12:37pm

KGH

Member Since: 01 Feb 2015
Location: Florida Keys
Posts: 61

Still at dealership.

Heading over to UK tomorrow to picj up a 1995 ExRAF 110 van.

And will wait for dealer diagnostics on the Puma 2013 110 - Keswick Green
1995 ExRAF 110 Utility
1986 127 HCPU
1985 110 PU
2012 Disco4

9th Aug 2016 3:38pm

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