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munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558 |
Mintex used to be one of the best , but not now , the ones you get from motorfactors now seem to be a cheap budget pad
personally i wouldn't use them , ive always usèd apec for my own stuff and fitted hundreds if not thousands of sets to customers car and not had one complaint ever ( did try the green stuff pads once in my defender , changed back to apec after few miles , found the green stuff useless ) i would try a different pad first before doing extra work of changing discs as well ive used copper slip for years with no problem , but the latest thing is ceramic grease , might be worth a try |
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6th Aug 2015 6:24pm |
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Rickydodah Member Since: 14 Jul 2014 Location: East Sussex Posts: 1091 |
Personally I've never ever had a problem with any Mintex product and they're my product of choice because they offer excellent value for the average user, they're not the best but not many vehicles require high spec braking systems. Defender rear pads are asymmetric and they may have merely been fitted incorrectly. Isolating shims do help and sometimes are the only answer as they allow the pad to move in relation to the caliper and caliper piston without vibrating or at least at a frequency only a Labrador would hear. I'd start by checking the orientation of the pads and fit shims, shims can be fabricated from shim stock if you can't find the correct ones. Some people swear by copper slip and some by ceramic grease, personally I've tried both and so far not found one to be above the other. Brake squeal is more of a problem since asbestos was banned as asbestos free products are notoriously abrasive and produce a lot of dust and prematurely wear discs which causes squeal but normally more with life expired components rather than new. Good luck I started with nothing and still have most of it left! |
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6th Aug 2015 6:58pm |
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BuckBlu110 Member Since: 19 Apr 2014 Location: in the pub Posts: 714 |
Thanks for the replies guys, I've used mintex for years on my other cars without problem, but this was the first time I used them on the defender, think I'll try the genuine pads as they come with the shims apparently, or the Apec pads and if that doesn't work then I'll look into new discs too. Thanks for the help
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6th Aug 2015 7:27pm |
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Dave-H Member Since: 08 Feb 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 1507 |
I'm with munch .. we stopped using mintex a while back because of an increasing number of returns for brake squeal.
apec or valeo are the main two brands we now fit ... Guns and Landrovers .... anything else is irrelevant. |
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6th Aug 2015 8:09pm |
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custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20447 |
I've got EBC green stuff on now, next time will go back to Genuine.
They are okay, but get too hot for my liking on long steep descents. Probably due to having genuine solid discs but still OE are actually very good. |
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6th Aug 2015 8:31pm |
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munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558 |
I found the ebc the worst ive fitted , gave up on them after couple of hunderd miles , as said went back to apec
certainly wouldnt pay the extra for genuine, land rover dont make pads all your paying for is the box |
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6th Aug 2015 8:49pm |
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Pickles Member Since: 26 May 2013 Location: Melbourne Posts: 3785 |
I'd always be trying to use O.E. Pads.
But seeing as how you've changed the pads & still got a squeal, it may not be just the pads. Could it be possible, that if you've not had the discs machined, there is a "residual/film/deposit" etc on the surface of the disc, which would cause the squeal. Maybe you'll have to machine your discs & fit new O.E. pads? I'm not sure what the bedding in procedure for these pads will be, because they're all different. With our C63, we were told to do 10 quick stops from 100KPH, BUT NOT TO STOP, get 'em smokn, they said,...and I did!!....never had a squeak. But that was a performance pad, probably different to O.E Defender items. Pickles. |
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6th Aug 2015 10:05pm |
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custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20447 |
I was told circa 200 - 250 miles they would be generally bedded in.
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6th Aug 2015 10:23pm |
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munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558 |
not many places in uk now machine discs ( not for normal cars anyway ) , to machine a disc properly you need to machine both sides at once , cant be done at a machine shop with lathe as on a lathe you would cut one side then turn disc and cut other side which means a possibility of one side being out of paralle with the other ( yes it can be done but price of setting up time its cheaper to buy new discs ) I have a disc machine sitting in workshop , last time at was used was for a set of Maserati discs that were 300 quid each about 10 years ago ! |
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7th Aug 2015 7:20am |
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BuckBlu110 Member Since: 19 Apr 2014 Location: in the pub Posts: 714 |
Managed to find a set of genuine pads and shims for £40, will see how I get on with them. I did try a similar method to that out of desperation Pickles, but didn't always manage to get up to 100kph, the old girl struggles to get that fast on some of the roads round here too many narrow, twisty roads. Just seems odd that it's done it with two sets of pads and discs.
My old man, who owned the 110 before me, reckons that the old discs and pads that were changed by the mechanic, were genuine, and that he remembers having them fitted,but can't remember weather they had shims fitted or not. Just wondering if they did in fact have them fitted and the mechanic left them off when he fitted the new pads?? Last edited by BuckBlu110 on 7th Aug 2015 9:13am. Edited 1 time in total |
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7th Aug 2015 7:36am |
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munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558 |
might be worth de glazing the discs before new pads fitted , just slight rub with emery cloth round them may help
you may know this , but pads and discs need running in , so light steady braking for couple of hundred miles ( of course in emergency brake as you need to ) if you brake hard or get pads/discs hot when new they glaze and will never be any good |
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7th Aug 2015 7:54am |
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blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17446 |
I have had exactly this problem in the past and the only pads which I have found can (more or less) be guaranteed not to squeal are Genuine Psrts. Bummer really since they are the most expensive!
Even OEM pads often squeal. The plus to genuine LR supplied pads - apart from the lack of squealing - is that you get new pins and new anti-squeal shims with the set of pads; most other makes you don't. They'll still rattle though. Also make sure that the shims are fitted the correct way round - it is not unknown for them to be reversed, and if so they'll generally make the problem worse not better. |
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7th Aug 2015 7:57am |
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landy andy Member Since: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 5729 |
My old Td5 would always squeal. New Pads (many brands). New discs. Even new callipers. Still squealed. Only time the stopped was with original Land Rover pass fitted. Now that's all I will fit, they also come with all the shims and fitting kit.
Andy |
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7th Aug 2015 9:01am |
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BuckBlu110 Member Since: 19 Apr 2014 Location: in the pub Posts: 714 |
Munch, I think I'll do that just to be sure, they don't look glazed, but it can't hurt surely?
Blackwolf, any ideas which way round the shims are fitted? Or are they obviously sided? Thanks all. |
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7th Aug 2015 9:12am |
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