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JWL



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New Amorak
Looks like VW are stepping into the gap left by the Defender with an upgrade to their Amorak pick ups even with a full time 4wd model and a 3.5tonne towing capacity
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/am...gine-range
Post #532189 16th May 2016 10:11pm
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miker



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I've always liked the look of the Amarok, and also always thought they needed to put a proper engine in to suits it's character, rather than a highly boosted 4cyl!

One day...
Post #532195 16th May 2016 11:05pm
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lambert.the.farmer



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Quite good. However until such time as they have a swb 2 door that can also tow I will pass. Rhubarb and custard let fly with their secret weapon.
Post #532212 17th May 2016 4:45am
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Cupboard



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miker wrote:
I've always liked the look of the Amarok, and also always thought they needed to put a proper engine in to suits it's character, rather than a highly boosted 4cyl!

One day...


You mean like the 3l V6 they're talking about?

I don't know why more vehicles don't have permanent 4WD. Given this has the potential for front wheel drive with selectable rear, I guess that's using a Haldex like their cars use? It doesn't have low range which would suggest no traditional transfer case. I know they still have lower gearing (using a many speed gearbox with a comically low first) but for me using low range isn't just about the low gearing, it's also about a greater choice of gears to be able to use.

Smaller, wider and lower profile tyres than a Defender, more like a Discovery. So better on road, less good off road. And it's being sold as a "go almost anywhere" vehicle, where the Land Rover had the "go anywhere vehicle" slogan Very Happy No wading depth listed on the current VW website, which puts it i the same class as the L200.

I wonder if they'll sort the issue of massively reduced payload when you're towing.
Post #532232 17th May 2016 6:57am
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miker



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United Kingdom 1999 Defender 110 Td5 CSW Rioja Red
Yep, like the 3.0 6 cyl mentioned! It's the main reason that this facelift looks appealing
Post #532237 17th May 2016 7:20am
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Grenadier



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Cupboard wrote:
miker wrote:
I've always liked the look of the Amarok, and also always thought they needed to put a proper engine in to suits it's character, rather than a highly boosted 4cyl!

One day...


You mean like the 3l V6 they're talking about?

I don't know why more vehicles don't have permanent 4WD. Given this has the potential for front wheel drive with selectable rear, I guess that's using a Haldex like their cars use? It doesn't have low range which would suggest no traditional transfer case. I know they still have lower gearing (using a many speed gearbox with a comically low first) but for me using low range isn't just about the low gearing, it's also about a greater choice of gears to be able to use.

Smaller, wider and lower profile tyres than a Defender, more like a Discovery. So better on road, less good off road. And it's being sold as a "go almost anywhere" vehicle, where the Land Rover had the "go anywhere vehicle" slogan Very Happy No wading depth listed on the current VW website, which puts it i the same class as the L200.

I wonder if they'll sort the issue of massively reduced payload when you're towing.


All valid points Cupboard, but why would you need all that fluff for driving around town in your pimped up Amarok?

Those who are serious about workhorse pick ups would never buy one of these as they are too expensive/precious, they'd buy Japanese. So, nice as they are, they'll be used by Alpha males who want a truck that's slightly better spec, smaller and more efficient (can we believe VW? Whistle ) than American variants, for driving around Solihull feeling macho and 'outdoorsy' whilst maintaining a level of comfort in line with their soft hands and well padded bottoms...No need for off roading or wading for their target market. Closest it will get to either is splashing through puddles in a gravel car park before they walk their staff bull terrrier.... Thumbs Up Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

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RED-DOT



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..... here's me thinking it was an Ad' for a new parka with fake rabbit fur round the hood! 2008 RS4 gone, 123d M Sport, and a Puma 90 XS..
Post #532266 17th May 2016 9:22am
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Grenadier:

hmm, I see where you're coming from, but such a person as you're describing isn't going to be bothered by the slight bump in towing ability of the highest end one I wouldn't think? For us that's the difference between getting the last cow in the trailer or not. For pottering round a town or pulling a tin tent it really doesn't matter!
Post #532468 17th May 2016 7:28pm
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nicholas2012



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Really dont know what moneys in these but a sales man that use to have nissan navara's changed every two/three years has just changed to a amarok and reckons it wasnt much dearer than a navara and much better specd n build quality.
so might not cost that much more than jap tat?
Post #532526 17th May 2016 9:43pm
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I'd have an Amarok any say over the old Navara, their reputation is pretty crappy from what I've heard. Towing rating was something like 2.5t which isn't great and when we bought the farm's 110 the Navaras were reported to be get through clutches if you towed with them.

Where I live at least, the Navara and L200 aren't generally used as working vehicles by people who actually need towing or off road ability. Those people use the Ranger, D-Max, Hilux or Defender. I don't think I've ever actually seen an Amarok in person.
Post #532577 18th May 2016 7:43am
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Alexj



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I had an Amarok before I got the defender. I have to say it was extremely good at everything I asked it to do, I never got it stuck once (did have diff lock though), despite subjecting it to much more than 90% of them would ever have to put up with.

Mine was permanent 4wd with the 2.0l auto, it always seemed to be in the right gear and was faster than you really ought to go! As far as appearances go, despite its size, I think it is the most discreet looking of it's genre.

Ultimately, I didn't feel engaged by, or involved with it. I do like the fact that the more you put into driving the Defender, the more rewarding it is ( a seven hour trip home from Anglesey towing a trailer was testing though!).

If I didn't have the Defender, I would have another though.

Alex
Post #532584 18th May 2016 8:15am
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JR



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Cupboard wrote:
I'd have an Amarok any say over the old Navara, their reputation is pretty crappy from what I've heard. Towing rating was something like 2.5t which isn't great and when we bought the farm's 110 the Navaras were reported to be get through clutches if you towed with them.

Where I live at least, the Navara and L200 aren't generally used as working vehicles by people who actually need towing or off road ability. Those people use the Ranger, D-Max, Hilux or Defender. I don't think I've ever actually seen an Amarok in person.



I have some friends who have had Navaras and the estate version, Pathfinder and have had nothing but a trail of disasters with them! The Pathfinder auto had gearbox failure without warning on a major roundabout in Perth with about 5 dogs in the back and a 25ft caravan on the back, oh yes and it was the hottest day of the year! It took RAC 5 hours to recover him from the carnage that was Broxden Roundabout (for those who know it). He also had major engine problems and a blown turbo as part of the thousands that it cost at every service.

My ex business partner's other half had catastrophic chassis failure on a 4yr old Navara where both chassis legs rusted through above the axle; it was used to tow her horsebox!

From my own experience as a 4x4 Trainer, I've had 2x top spec 2.5l auto's from a Renewables Consultant and from an off road point of view they have a major design flaw in that the auto-box has NO engine gracing in reverse so a failed ascent in severe weather means you are forced to control your reverse descent using the brakes and I don't fancy that!


I also have a friend who had an Amarok as a company motor which had total Turbo failure on the way home from Inverness which rendered the vehicle practically immobile for a considerable time. Also looking at one that arrived on site, there is not a lot of ground clearance at the front! Lovely motor though, but at a not so lovely price!
Post #532762 18th May 2016 7:46pm
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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 HT Corris Grey
Chassis failure at 4 years old?!
I know two people that have got through 5 gearboxes between them in two Terrano 2s which alarmed me slightly.

Did you hear about that Land Rover heap of rubbish? Apparently there's this stupid bit of design that means you can go and pull away at a junction and the gearbox output shaft goes pop and you're not moving anywhere. No cars are perfect Smile

Is the lack of engine braking in reverse a general automatic gearbox issue that all autos have, or is the Navara worse?
Post #532973 19th May 2016 3:45pm
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JR



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Scotland 1984 Defender 90 200 Tdi SW Coniston Green
Navara chassis, both chassis legs rotted through above the rear axle and this was found at its MOT.

Most 4x4 auto boxes that I have had experience of have normal engine braking in reverse, the effectiveness of this would also depend on whether the vehicle was petrol or diesel. However with the Navaras that clients brought they simply made absolutely no effort to control any gravitational increase in speed whatsoever! Another company brought a Mazda auto and this was exactly the same so I reckoned they might share the same gearbox.

As for the Land Rover issue mentioned, I haven't had any experience of this although when I bought my 90 in 2000 it had 1 year old recon 'boxes. When reversing down a hill on overrun (failed ascents) the gearstick would remain in reverse but the gears would jump out. This was an early model LT77 gearbox which was fitted with the narrower reverse gear. The recon concerned were not interested and said that any gearbox sales were supplied on a like for like basis; guess what, I won't ever go to them! Land Rover resolved this issue with the later G and H suffix LT77 gearboxes (which is what I now have).
Post #533155 20th May 2016 10:31am
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Happyoldgit



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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Corris Grey
The intermediate shaft spline failure referred to is in regard to post 2007 Puma vehicles Smile

The Navara chassis issue seems to be common enough to have it's own Facebook page dedicated to it. Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades.
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