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JWL



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Another Dodgy item on eBay
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Poor old Dennis Skinner getting thrown out of the Commons yesterday for calling our PM "Dodgy Dave", echoing what millions were thinking. I don't agree with Dennis Skinner's politics but I do admire the way he sticks to his principles and tells it as it is. We need a few more Skinners to keep the rest of them on track. Defender 90XS SW
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Post #523257 12th Apr 2016 7:12am
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Sorry discomog, Dennis Skinner knew he would be thrown out for insulting another MP in the chamber. He deliberately insulted the PM so he would be thrown out, so he would get shown on TV.

An experienced MP using the system for his own publicity.

He would have served the tax payer better by being able to listen and continuing to contribute to that debate and other debates later that day. Now he will still get paid for that day. Would a private firm be happy to pay someone who had just been excluded from one of their principal place of employment?

A self serving public stunt in my eyes.

The main question is, has the PM done anything illegal? If not why the fuss? A lot of us have ISA which are a way of avoiding tax. Most of us have investment in pension schemes. Now are the pension schemes using various financial instruments to avoid paying the full rate of tax/corporate tax? My guess is yes?


Tax avoidance is legal

Tax evasion is illegal.

Personally I believe tax should be paid in the country where the money/profit is earnt. Now eBay UK I believe is based in Luxemburg I believe. Now is that because they can legally export their UK profit to Luxemburg. eBay paid £620,000 tax on a profit of £12,400,000 or about 5%. Now what happen to the £11,800,000 once in Luxemburg? Exported to a tax haven under a very favourable tax system?

Now as a UK taxpayer I would be very happy to pay 5% tax on all my income.

Now without getting a calculator out David Cameron appears to have paid 1/3 of his income in tax which to me appears reasonable. Is that so far different to the same level of income taxpayers.


Now if the discussion is about the moral/ethical side of taxation that is a different matter. Now I would suggest it would be more beneficial to the UK to ensure bigger corporations pay their fair share of tax on income earnt in the UK.

Yes people and companies should pay the right amount of tax due under the UK tax system. Yes the tax system might need overhauling.

Now if politicians are to publish their tax returns what about getting council leaders, charity directors and all other publicly funded bodies directors publishing their tax returns?

It is interesting to note certain council/charity/university leaders get paid more then the PM


Brendan
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Nice to see your back in the land of the living Brendan Smile
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Yes am in the land of living, thank you. At this time of day you should be in the land of wood shavings, etc and busy finishing a lobby and kitchen off so get on with it. I will be around to inspect soon Razz

Sorry for going OT



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leeds wrote:


Tax avoidance is legal

Tax evasion is illegal.


That's too simple a distinction now - see what happened in the Deutsche Bank and UBS case recently - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-34...hemes.html; and it technically ended years ago with the Guidance on the new General Anti-Abuse Rule (GAAR) - http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2013/04...he-better/

There is now a test of resonableness to be applied to avoidance
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Worryingly I agree with Brendan Laughing

Who would want to be a PM anyway? It's such an awful job these days you're going to scare off anyone decent.
Post #523575 13th Apr 2016 8:29am
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