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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5878   
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The apparent advantages of the electric car debunked. What's worrying is not so much the data, the motor industry is not reknowned for being entirely honest, more the amount of tax payer money subsidising each of these cars. Bloody joke.....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/04...o-save-th/ Monsieur Le Grenadier I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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7th Apr 2016 8:40am |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6318  
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not read it (yet) but not surprised.....same as all the solar panels on peoples roofs - subsidised, if not wouldn't make any economic sense.
and lets not start on all the carbon used to manufacture and ship them - how many years before the carbon used to manufacture is recouped - not to mention the disposal of at the end of useful life.  |
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7th Apr 2016 8:47am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5878
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It's your last point where the stats are most interesting, relating to the usage of the car, but also manufacture, over 10 years... Monsieur Le Grenadier
I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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7th Apr 2016 8:52am |
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| jimbob7 Member Since: 06 Jul 2013 Location: uk Posts: 2055 |
At the moment,solar power is as good as petrol engines were in the 1900's. Pov.spec,ftw. 2006, 110,TD5.
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7th Apr 2016 11:07am |
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| RobKeay Member Since: 19 Jul 2009 Location: Stafford Posts: 1591  
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Didn't know Donald Trump was writing in the telegraph.
The UK now produces 8000mwatts plus a year that's the same as 8 Rugeley coal powers stations. As for the government paying out, they are going to put a lot into nuclear power. This is the point electric cars produce no emissions at source, so cities would have less nasty gas. It's not just Co2 but NoX as well. It's for us as a world to produce good clean energy. Really don't see why people are so angry at tesla, they are trying their best to produce fast, safe, clean and affordable cars. The government give far more than £4500 you also get zero benefit in kind. Then there's no road tax or congestion charge. At a cost of £5 per 200-300 miles. No 6 litres of oil in the engine every 15k, no air filter, oil and fuel filters. Just tyres and brakes and replacement batteries. Once there are less nasty metals going into batteries this will help. But the big thing with batteries the price is about to drop from £300 plus per KWh in 2010 to £99 per kWh in 2017. This is a tipping point electric cars will then be cheaper to make than petrol. |
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7th Apr 2016 3:37pm |
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| RobKeay Member Since: 19 Jul 2009 Location: Stafford Posts: 1591
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Also don't forget the progress with electric bikes are making. Think they managed 117mph average at the tt. Next it will be two laps and break the 120mph.
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7th Apr 2016 3:44pm |
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| Cupboard Member Since: 21 Mar 2014 Location: Suffolk Posts: 2971 
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RobKeay: you haven't been watching Robert Llewellyn have you by any chance?
I'm definitely an electric car believer, even if you ignore anything else they're so nice to drive! Where I work, we have a biogas plant running on a mix of cow slurry and second rate crops - the cows get the best the digester gets the rest. The Leaf is therefore basically powered by cow poo, and the Tesla that's on the way will be too. That's definitely green motoring. Going back to the emissions argument, even if an electric vehicle is 100% coal powered, it's still better than a diesel vehicle. Power stations are more efficient than internal combustion engines, and their environmental controls are better. Not as good as they should be, but much better. They're also not generally in cities. the other thing is that every litre of fuel takes 1kWh electricity to refine it. So actually moving over to electric propulsion uses a lot less electricity than the headline figures. 1 litre of diesel has a potential energy of 10kWh but in order to drive the same distance an EV needs less than 1/4 of the energy out of the wall because they're more efficient. Upshot is, you're using about three times as much electricity to drive an EV than a fossil fuelled car but you're not having to dig up any oil. You do have to dig up rare metals (or get them from the sea) but they're all recyclable. Not to say there aren't advantages to fossil fuels (the jerry can being the main one I can think of) but IMO there are far more advantages to EVs. |
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7th Apr 2016 4:55pm |
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| RobKeay Member Since: 19 Jul 2009 Location: Stafford Posts: 1591
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Rumbled
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7th Apr 2016 6:01pm |
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| ken Member Since: 18 Aug 2009 Location: Banging Birds with my bitches !! Posts: 4328
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I have an i8 coming tomorrow
 it will sortta balance the G63  |
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7th Apr 2016 8:30pm |
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| Projectblue Member Since: 22 Nov 2011 Location: Devon Posts: 1096
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Interesting article. Like all journalism it's factually correct but very biased.
Electric cars are not just coal powered. They are coal powered where electricity is from coal power stations. Where the electricity is from thermal, wind, solar, wave, hydro or nuclear - it's not. Electric cars have a longer life span than 10 years. Look at the Prius and especially look at Prius that are older than 10 years. The article gives Tesla a hard time for getting sales on a car that doesn't exist, and that Tesla are not known for being on time. No. But then Tesla started out as nothing, with nothing but Musk's own money and came from nowhere to produce one of the most amazing cars around. They have build quality issues? Find me a car that doesn't. Especially one in a brand that's not even a teenager. For all that I am not pro electric. There is not enough Lithium Iron in the world to meet the demand of the batteries. Electric cars are fine in cities but in the rest of the country, not so. We had a demo Leaf. It had a range of 30 miles. We drove up the A38 over the hill in the rain and the dark. After 3 miles the range had dropped to 12 miles. We turned around at the top and came back in case it ran out. Hydrogen. That's the future. New project and it's green: www.projectoverland.info |
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7th Apr 2016 8:31pm |
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| RobKeay Member Since: 19 Jul 2009 Location: Stafford Posts: 1591
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The only problem I can see with hydrogen is the energy it takes to produce. Then if it went up it would leave a rather large hole in the ground.
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7th Apr 2016 8:51pm |
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| familymad Member Since: 13 Dec 2011 Location: Bucks Posts: 3481  
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Works for me. Zero deposit and £125 a month for a 100mile Leaf as my commute tool. My fuel is negligible and the saving over 10k paid for my 130 loan. 1951 80" S1 2.0
1995 110 300TDI 1995 90 300TDI |
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7th Apr 2016 9:10pm |
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| RobKeay Member Since: 19 Jul 2009 Location: Stafford Posts: 1591
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Just struggle to keep up with Ken in the i8. Few customers have a leaf for local stuff and big car for anything else. The new leaf has a bigger battery wasn't it 22kwh and now 30kwh.
Cheap as chips at 125 a month. |
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7th Apr 2016 9:27pm |
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| miker Member Since: 13 Sep 2015 Location: Surrey Posts: 1769 
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I could almost be tempted into a leaf at that money! Almost...
If I'm still commuting long distance in a few years, then I'll look at a model 3 on lease/finance. COuld work out quite nicely for me. |
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7th Apr 2016 10:22pm |
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