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| BogMonster Member Since: 05 Feb 2008 Location: Stanley Posts: 400   
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Since getting my Puma I've always hated 3rd gear. It crunches most of the time when warm.
I've recently discovered by accident that the shift into 3rd seems better if you do a bit of a detour between 2nd and 3rd and take the lever slightly over from the sprung central position towards the 5/6 plane, before doing a wiggle and pushing it forward into 3rd. It seems fairly consistent and only needs a small movement past the centre position. I presume somewhere in the top of the box there must be some arrangement similar to the bias springs/plate that breaks on the R380 box, my question is whether there is any adjustment/fiddle factor available on this to refine the alignment of the 3rd/4th plane? I feel that if the gate/bias springs could be moved slightly to the right it might fix the issue without having to do the funky wiggle going into gear. 4th is perfect every time so I don't want to upset that. Any thoughts please? --- 2006 Defender 110 SW 300Tdi • 2011 Ford Ranger XLT crewcab • 2015 Defender 110 Station Wagon Utility TDCi |
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1st Feb 2021 11:54pm |
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| hank Member Since: 12 Sep 2016 Location: South Wales Posts: 2301  
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I can't answer your question but I too have found that in between the 2nd to 3rd shift if you apply minor pressure towards 4th (kind of like an N shape shift) then the change into third is improved. I have mentioned it before here https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic61047.html
I always assumed it was something to do with synchromesh's and that moving towards 4th spins up the 4th synchro so that then when you change to 3rd it almost simulates a downchage in terms of gearbox shaft rotational speeds... But that's an absolute stab in the dark and likely completely wrong  > 110 XS Double Cab |
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2nd Feb 2021 9:05am |
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| BogMonster Member Since: 05 Feb 2008 Location: Stanley Posts: 400
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Yeah, I have found the optimum pattern seems to be to stir it in a small clockwise circle (probably about half an inch in diameter at the top of the gear lever) around the middle point (where the lever would sit at rest) just before going in to 3rd. You may be right, little conversation among the synchros going something like:
2nd: "Calling third, get ready with the crunch ...over" 3rd: "Crunch on standby, ready when you are ... send, over" 2nd: "Oh sh**, he's going for 5th ... no 4th ... no ..." 3rd: "Ok, just going to pop for a coffee" 4th & 5th: "Wha ... whoah ... we're not ready" ...slides smoothly into 3rd.... 3rd: "Dammit, he tricked us" Maybe I need to just take the top off and finesse the alignment wiv a big ammer like on an R380
It does infuriate me that the change on my R380 is miles better than the MT82.... --- 2006 Defender 110 SW 300Tdi • 2011 Ford Ranger XLT crewcab • 2015 Defender 110 Station Wagon Utility TDCi |
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2nd Feb 2021 10:10am |
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| Matt110 Member Since: 29 Jun 2014 Location: UK Posts: 685 
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 Only on a defender forum............. lol. |
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2nd Feb 2021 10:46am |
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| Roy5695 Member Since: 15 Feb 2014 Location: Cornwall Posts: 1123 
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There’s a sticky’s thread in the Puma section referencing some shims/locators that can be added to the gear housing to help the gear change 2011 Defender DCPU 2.2 - https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic30623.html
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2nd Feb 2021 2:39pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8059  
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Love it, made me smile Cheers
James 110 2012 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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2nd Feb 2021 2:47pm |
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| hank Member Since: 12 Sep 2016 Location: South Wales Posts: 2301
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This one... https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic29132.html I have fitted these shims and whilst they provided an improvement it did not completely cure the issue. It seems to be common, there's a lot of complaints about it on Mustang forum's as the modern ones use/used the MT-82 gearbox > 110 XS Double Cab |
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2nd Feb 2021 3:42pm |
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| BogMonster Member Since: 05 Feb 2008 Location: Stanley Posts: 400
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Excellent, thanks
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2006 Defender 110 SW 300Tdi • 2011 Ford Ranger XLT crewcab • 2015 Defender 110 Station Wagon Utility TDCi |
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4th Feb 2021 9:43am |
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| hank Member Since: 12 Sep 2016 Location: South Wales Posts: 2301
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Previously I had always tightened down my gear lever/shifter in the neutral position...
This evening I slackened off the four bolts, selected third and gave the shifter mechanism a few taps around to release/reset any misalignment/tension then tightened the bolts back down. Success, no crunch into third
Wish I had been aware of the third gear process sooner! > 110 XS Double Cab |
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10th Feb 2021 9:24pm |
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| Badger110 Member Since: 06 Feb 2018 Location: South hams Posts: 1039 
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Blackwolf is the optimum of information on Def2, he's like google for Defenders.
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10th Feb 2021 10:35pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17450
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Always a pleasure to help. |
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10th Feb 2021 10:37pm |
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| BogMonster Member Since: 05 Feb 2008 Location: Stanley Posts: 400
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That's the kind of fix I had in mind, thinking it could be just slap-happy assembly from day one, which might be rectified by some fettling. The odd thing is that 4th is absolutely perfect and snicks in like it was made by Suzuki ---
2006 Defender 110 SW 300Tdi • 2011 Ford Ranger XLT crewcab • 2015 Defender 110 Station Wagon Utility TDCi |
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11th Feb 2021 10:22am |
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| hank Member Since: 12 Sep 2016 Location: South Wales Posts: 2301
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Fourth was fine on mine. Think it was because you're already in plane from third
For me it was a bit notchy into first... second perfect. Crunch into third, fourth fine. Fifth and sixth were always ok. But since going though the 'retightening in third' procedure no problems selecting first and no crunch into third. > 110 XS Double Cab |
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11th Feb 2021 10:50am |
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