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| X4SKP Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2295   
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15th Nov 2015 8:32am |
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| scotsstag Member Since: 17 Jun 2012 Location: D+G Posts: 535  
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My thoughts and sympathies to all the victims and their families whether they be French or any other nationality.
I feel the only way to defeat these extremists is for their own communities to report their hate preachings and any intended terrorist plans or actions.  . 04' 90 Td5 CSW.. |
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15th Nov 2015 8:44pm |
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| Merlin Member Since: 30 Oct 2010 Location: Newmarket Posts: 981
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Firstly let me say how sorry I am that innocent people died in Paris. I can only just begin to understand how devastated their relatives and loved one must be feeling at this time.
What I can' t understand is the massive expression of collective grief that this has generated. When previous civilian deaths resulted from a war (official or not), there wasn't such an outcry, so why this time? For instance, the IRA killed 1823 people and the whole of the 'troubles' killed over 3000 (of which about were 2000 civilians), yet there was no outcry of this magnitude. We didn't have a minute's silence every time a bomb went off, we just got on with life. For instance; I was in the City of London just after one of their bombs exploded, and it was business as usual even while buildings were being made safe. So would someone please explain to me why this time is different? |
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16th Nov 2015 5:35pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5038 
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Horrendous act of murder that needs to see the firmest hand of justice to the cowards that did it, support it and continue to plot to do it. no word or act is kind enough for them. I feel for the families that pain is horrible and for no reason...awful.
Its probably too soon for this conversation, certainly for the more politically sensitive/correct, which is in part why we have the situation you refer...unfortunately thats the way society seems to go and if key people dont tow the line they will be public hung out to dry (like apparently not bowing enough) and hence why it self fulfils itself. I find similar about poppies - i give £10 and never take a poppy (mainly because i loose it, forget it etc plus it seems a waste of resource etc) anyway what's better giving £10 and taking nothing or spending £1 and wearing it and then commenting at the people that don't. So to answer your question, change in societies views, more pressure, lower tolerances for violence, critical mass of people who want it and expect it. Still a very sad time, Mike |
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16th Nov 2015 6:40pm |
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| Birdy Member Since: 07 Oct 2011 Location: Côte d'Azur Posts: 868  
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The UVF, UDA etc. didn't carry out their atrocities in the name of Protestantism, and the IRA had a clear agenda.
Peter |
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16th Nov 2015 8:22pm |
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| Projectblue Member Since: 22 Nov 2011 Location: Devon Posts: 1096 
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Can I just say it's been a relief to read something about this that didn't contain "kill 'em all" and "send them home" type comments.
I had a er.. 'discussion' with friends in the USA where I had to point out that Westboro Baptist Church do the things they do in the name of Christianity - you don't blame your neighbour for their antics. So thanks for keeping it level headed and sensible Def2.net 
And nice touch with the banner Martin. New project and it's green: www.projectoverland.info |
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17th Nov 2015 12:53am |
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| nitram17 Member Since: 08 Jun 2014 Location: newcastle Posts: 2261 |
The troubles are over fella......i fear this is just the beginning!and perhaps we shoulk have paid our respects to the dead in the troubles more fervently and they may have been over sooner!I think its the close up and personal nature of the attacks and the inhuman way people were killed!Its not like a drone strike or morter attack we hear on the news killing hundreds in iraq or the like ..it should be the same but its just not!Sometimes its the way its reported ,did every tv channel have to have someone reporting from the site and in some cases basing the programmes from paris. |
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17th Nov 2015 2:34am |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8582
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I had never heard of Westboro Baptist Church so had a quick search. It took me a couple of seconds to decide that the website associated with WBC was highly bigoted, full of hate and likely to provoke violence and intolerance Another example of people 'twisting' their 'religion/holy book' towards hateful ends! Brendan |
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17th Nov 2015 8:44am |
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| Merlin Member Since: 30 Oct 2010 Location: Newmarket Posts: 981
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To comment on what Birdy said:
I'm not making a statement about the 'troubles', it was an example of deaths that didn't have the same impact as those in Paris. I could have used the 648 people that died as a result of Dads Army activities in WWII but I used a recent example that many would remember. This war-on-terror is what used to be called a Crusade. There have been many of those, and they didn't solve anything. Lets hope our leaders remember their history lessons. Merlin PS: and no I don't know the answer. |
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17th Nov 2015 2:26pm |
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| jimbob7 Member Since: 06 Jul 2013 Location: uk Posts: 2055 |
Car drivers kill more people in a year than "religious" people ever will.The West (including the uk) are only interested in buying cheap oil. Pov.spec,ftw. 2006, 110,TD5.
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17th Nov 2015 3:32pm |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5111  
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The Third Holy Crusade now there the rub! While this may be an over simplification of history, nonetheless if King Richard the first would not have fallen sick during this crusade then perhaps he would have overwhelmed Saladin and conquered the Middle East turning it into a Christian kingdom. Saladin would then not have gone on to unite Egypt and Syria and successfully reclaiming Jerusalem giving rise to the Ayyubid dynasty and the Muslim Empire of faith. Pure conjection I know, then again if Richard had been more successful in turning the Middle East Christian, such an action conceivably would have meant certain Muslims would not know be forming terrorist groups. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at.. http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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