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simond

Member Since: 15 Feb 2008
Location: Kent
Posts: 26

There have been major alignment problems, I posted my Jan 08 90 with totally misaligned shell.

Got a few comments on here calling me too fussy (because windows did not fit and I could not open some of the doors) and some sympathy.

I don't think anyone should be in any doubt, buying a new Defender at the moment is nothing more than a lottery. The chances of you getting a straight one seem less good than ever.

I cannot imagine the type of control and supervision on the Defender line. Outwardly it would seem that they are being thrown together and delivered to you with absolutely no quality of work or subsequent checking.

My unit was a disgrace and from the pictures I've seen here things are worse than when Red Robbo was in charge.

Land Rover have never contacted me regarding the bent one, and the other blue bent unit that followed it. How the company can afford all the post rectification work is beyond me. Mine was so bad that when LR asked the dealer to fix it they refused.

I have an Indian Tafe tractor and the build quality and consistency is miles better than a Defender. I think the workforce and management on the Defender line have got a big shock coming. I can't see Tata standing for this.

If you have a Defender on order check all the alignment carefully before handing over your cheque. In particular the B pillars and their alignment with roof and lower door areas.

My April 08 new 'straight' one (in black) has developed rust on the corner of the bulkhead, and on the rear of the bonnet. There is a clonk selecting 3rd and a transmission clunk which the dealer says will get better. I'm delighted with it compared to the other ones! Just fitted some fab tyres, 265 `General Grabbers, very sticky, thanks AJS! Simon D

24th Aug 2008 7:15pm

CFB

Member Since: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire
Posts: 803

Glad I'm not the only one.

I have had 2 duffers and will not touch one again I'm afraid. Gone back in a D3 HSE and it's fabulous. Andy

24th Aug 2008 7:41pm

mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5035

2016 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Scotia Grey

CFB wrote:
Glad I'm not the only one.

I have had 2 duffers and will not touch one again I'm afraid. Gone back in a D3 HSE and it's fabulous.

Irony they are made 20ft from each other.

I have a feeling that the money saving approach to keep ford's favour has hit a little too hard. I know they have lost a fair portion of the teams to polish type workers. Mike

24th Aug 2008 8:09pm

AndrewS

Member Since: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Hereford
Posts: 3707

2013 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 SW Rimini Red

mse wrote:
I have a feeling that the money saving approach to keep ford's favour has hit a little too hard.

Yep

this is why I think there have been so many diff failures.

25th Aug 2008 5:08pm

Fatboy Slim

Member Since: 04 Feb 2008
Location: Bridgend
Posts: 1006

Mine cost me nearly £20k in lost revenue. I

off a lot of my customers that have been with me since the beginning due to a vehicle that is not designed or put together properly. Sad but true. Gone back to Td5's now as I find them a lot more of a 'solid' motor, driveline probs are minimal to non existant

Same story with the transit vans, too much downtime. Sent 6 back, got refund, walked straight into Mercs and bought new sprinters. Had them before, tried the transit as the deals seemed unbeatable but by f

k it cost me dear in the long run

26th Aug 2008 7:16pm

mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5035

i dont think they are that bad - there is always a bad few in any car. Mike

26th Aug 2008 7:43pm

RLD

Member Since: 29 Jun 2007
Location: Lancs
Posts: 858

don't think the Defender and D3 are made in the same building did not see it last week when i was there

27th Aug 2008 11:56am

solmanic

Member Since: 16 Aug 2007
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 191

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

Yes they are. And the FFRR and RRS as well. It's only the Freelanders that are made elsewhere (Halewood). The Defenders have their own little area towards the rear (from where you enter on a tour) which is the only part of the final assembly area that actually looks like a mechanic's workshop. It's like you time warp back 50 years when you enter that part of the factory - lots of rubber mallet work. 2007 Defender 110
1970 Alfa Romeo 1750GTV

27th Aug 2008 1:09pm

mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5035

RLD wrote:
don't think the Defender and D3 are made in the same building did not see it last week when i was there

Yep they certainly are.

I suppose im very lucky (ok i am very lucky) ive had and got family at different senior levels at LR and I work (from a regulatory point) with them (not automotively) and also have some friends there.

Hence, ive had the factory tour, jungle track tour, gaydon tour, test track tour, new not launched car tours, assembled (work experience) cars, office tour etc etc (and gaydon is the best place to be allowed to play)

As mentioned only the freelander is up north - but even that used to be there...to be honest some of the reason for moving it was space - Solihull is busy in the week Mike

27th Aug 2008 5:51pm

simond

Member Since: 15 Feb 2008
Location: Kent
Posts: 26

Quote:
Same story with the transit vans, too much downtime. Sent 6 back, got refund, walked straight into Mercs and bought new sprinters. Had them before, tried the transit as the deals seemed unbeatable but by f k it cost me dear in the long run

We bought some new Sprinters in late 06 (the new shape, made in Spain) and they have all had engine management problems. One had a misaligned roof so the Merc Genuine roof rack wouldn't fit.

Now the old Sprinter (pre 06) - that was built like a brick toilet. Those days are over.

We're buying Renault vans now on contract hire; we keep them for 3 years (until the warranty runs out) and then back them. Haven't been any less reliable than new shape Sprinter! Simon D

6th Sep 2008 9:12pm

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