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| tomdaprince Member Since: 23 Feb 2015 Location: IJmuiden Posts: 54   
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Waxoil is specifically designed to stick to the steel surface applied to. Much is just designed to be a pain in the ass and great fun at the same time. So there is quite some difference, those seals are still just seals so I would not be surprised if the waxoil is guilty here. Especially considering the low mileage.
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6th Aug 2015 12:34pm |
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| kbf1981 Member Since: 22 Feb 2015 Location: Manchester Posts: 183 
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What part do you think would need replacing?
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6th Aug 2015 1:39pm |
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| tomdaprince Member Since: 23 Feb 2015 Location: IJmuiden Posts: 54
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Swivel Seals: FTC3401
If CV's are damaged: RTC6862GEN |
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6th Aug 2015 1:49pm |
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| kbf1981 Member Since: 22 Feb 2015 Location: Manchester Posts: 183
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Cheers mate. Its been making the sound for a while so I've got it booked in with the dealer. Will get them to have a look at it. Hopefully all sorted soon.
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6th Aug 2015 2:17pm |
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| kbf1981 Member Since: 22 Feb 2015 Location: Manchester Posts: 183
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How would I add oil to the seal? Thanks! |
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6th Aug 2015 6:34pm |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471 
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One shot semi fluid grease has been used in Defender swivels for some years now. Do a forum search for further info. Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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6th Aug 2015 8:24pm |
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| kbf1981 Member Since: 22 Feb 2015 Location: Manchester Posts: 183
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So ok.... swivel seals replaced, all the CV's etc are fine, everything looks perfect...
And turning left whilst stationary earlier today the rubbing sound came back. Could it be this, do you think? Mine's a 2015 car but not sure if they ever fixed the issues discussed here: " a known 'problem' with defenders where there is resonation in the hydraulic fluid pipes, but LR hadn't really sorted the problem yet so nothing could be done. I read with interest your post that suggests it is due to the pipes being too narrow and the possibility of a warranty repair... is this a recongnised fault that can be orrected under a standard LR extended warranty????" http://www.landroveraddict.com/forums/thread.cfm?threadID=23242 I can't think of anything else. It only makes it whilst at low speed or stationary. Usually whilst turning left, in fact I think it's only made it whilst twisting the steering wheel left. Any help appreciated! |
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15th Aug 2015 11:10pm |
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| kbf1981 Member Since: 22 Feb 2015 Location: Manchester Posts: 183
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So ok.... swivel seals replaced, all the CV's etc are fine, everything looks perfect...
And turning left whilst stationary earlier today the rubbing sound came back. Could it be this, do you think? Mine's a 2015 car but not sure if they ever fixed the issues discussed here: " a known 'problem' with defenders where there is resonation in the hydraulic fluid pipes, but LR hadn't really sorted the problem yet so nothing could be done. I read with interest your post that suggests it is due to the pipes being too narrow and the possibility of a warranty repair... is this a recongnised fault that can be orrected under a standard LR extended warranty????" http://www.landroveraddict.com/forums/thread.cfm?threadID=23242 I can't think of anything else. It only makes it whilst at low speed or stationary. Usually whilst turning left, in fact I think it's only made it whilst twisting the steering wheel left. Any help appreciated! |
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15th Aug 2015 11:10pm |
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| captainbuckynohair Member Since: 20 Jan 2016 Location: Norwich Posts: 5  
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Hi all. Did this problem ever get identified as I have exactly the same. I too have a late 2015 90 which has only covered 3k to date and has been making this same noise for the last 1k approx. It only happens about halfway or so round towards full lock and only when turning left. Most apparent when manage ring at low speeds. I would say this is a comman fault but there's not a great deal on the topic.
I would like to think it's not a worn part and would be satisfied if it was just 'one of those thing' and was not something that would get worse. Been to dealers already for new hazard relay and mentioned it then but no better. To be honest I don't think they have a clue and/or only resolve problems when there is a nice warranty claim to put to Landrover. I want to get off that road ASAP. Any further info on this problem would be appreciated! CBNH |
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22nd Oct 2016 5:37pm |
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| captainbuckynohair Member Since: 20 Jan 2016 Location: Norwich Posts: 5
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Manovering at low speeds!
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22nd Oct 2016 5:39pm |
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| kbf1981 Member Since: 22 Feb 2015 Location: Manchester Posts: 183
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Mine makes it still at low speeds and when cold... I'd guess it's the steering pump / power steering pump?
In any case I've done 18k miles now and never had a problem. I've been on road, off road extensively, and nothing has ever come of it. I'd guess it's just a trait rather than a fault. Looking underneath everything looks good too. I check the car regularly. |
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22nd Oct 2016 5:47pm |
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| couplands Member Since: 31 Aug 2011 Location: Peak District & Cornwall Posts: 1826 
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My TD5 has that sort of vibration at low speed when cold. I think its a common fault and subject to a few recalls over the years but never really fixed.
It hasn't bothered mine and its been doing in since new (15 years ago..  )
cheers simon |
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22nd Oct 2016 6:05pm |
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| justinp Member Since: 24 Jun 2016 Location: Cambridge Posts: 167
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My 2012 DC on 29K miles does this too, so keen to hear if anyone's fixed it.
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22nd Oct 2016 8:10pm |
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| JOE_130 Member Since: 26 Nov 2014 Location: Chelmsford Posts: 105 
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Hi guys,
Sorry I missed this thread long enough for people to be changing parts... 
The groan we're talking about is caused by the poorly tuned PAS system on Puma fitted vehicles. The lines make a noise caused by a resonance when the fluid and lines are cold. In a "normal" car an OEM would've spent a great deal of time tuning the system with different length lines or even mechanical noise suppresion (a sprung system inside the line). Typically the problem will only show itself when turning in one direction - in the case of Defender, to the left. This exact problem (by this I mean at the same temperature/operating conditions) won't be present on a TD5 or other previous engines because of the change in PAS pump itself and associated characteristics. Even different release levels of pump may affect how the sound exhibits itself. We've got two Pumas, both have done exactly the same from brand new, and I think the number of people with the issue proves its not an isolated or individual vehicle fault. It's not something to worry about, and certainly not something a dealer has the ability to fix for you unfortunately. What we all needed was JLR to spend a little more money refining their later engine installs in what is a very old base vehicle. Hope that saves a few people loosing any sleep... Joe |
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