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harveyg77

Member Since: 09 Apr 2010
Location: Derby
Posts: 309

I was under the impression that a report has been commissioned that stated DRLs would be responsible for increased pedal cycle casualties on the roads. This I think was a result of the DRLs causing people to be less observant as they subconsciously became reliant on bright dazzling lights to draw their attention and consequently were less likely to look out for and spot cyclists and other non DRL road users.

I personally hate the things, especially as they can look (in my personal opinion) so chavy on Audi's, etc. If it were Sweden or somewhere that sometimes has 23-hours of daylight they would make sense. Also there are times when I see a car with DRLs bob over a manhole or round a corner, which causes the angle at which I see the lights change and for a split second I think they have flashed me out. But as I hate the things I am biased as I will be looking for every fault I can do to criticise them.

I do think there is a dumbing down of driving with the onset of greater technology. I find that I manually override auto lights and wipers because I constantly alter my vehicle and habits to the prevailing situation/condition. The auto systems are never quite right, sometimes not coming on soon enough and other times remaining on when I think they should be off.

Harvey

19th Aug 2010 6:36pm

adafish

Member Since: 30 Mar 2009
Location: atherstone
Posts: 1385

1984 Defender 110 300 Tdi DCPU Stornoway Grey

anyone coming to LRM MAX show, pop over to the IRBdevelopments and MOBILE CENTRE stand, will have a D90 on display with the DRL's and the Mobile centre led's fitted...fitting of these lights maybe possible over the weekend...ADA Putting Dreams on Drives at JLR Solihull..

19th Aug 2010 7:44pm

mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5038

2016 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Scotia Grey

Side lights, headlight it depends on conditions

Ive never seen a car in Europe or the USA with DRL's i wouldnt have noticed without

In fact some volvos cause more distraction with them Mike

19th Aug 2010 9:24pm

bpman

Member Since: 21 May 2008
Location: Oslo
Posts: 8069

2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black

in Norway you must drive with dipped headlamps even on sunny days ! - I believe it's the same in Sweden

20th Aug 2010 6:05am

harveyg77

Member Since: 09 Apr 2010
Location: Derby
Posts: 309

mse wrote:
Side lights, headlight it depends on conditions

Ive never seen a car in Europe or the USA with DRL's i wouldnt have noticed without

In fact some volvos cause more distraction with them

I agree this is why I do not liek them, I feel it is an unnecessary feature and by subconsciously programming people to only notice things which are bright and distracting, you train them to stop looking for the hard to spot things like kids or cyclists.

But that is just my opinion

20th Aug 2010 6:55am

wyvern

Member Since: 13 Dec 2009
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 2117

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Firenze Red

Guy’s
As a present cyclist and a past motorcyclist, I been hit off bikes when wearing a large daglo reflective yellow jacket and a yellow helmet, both times I was told by the nice car driver ‘sorry - didn’t see ya mate’ .. some times the need for the ‘mark one eyeball’ is all you need, but it needs to be used first!

Personally the more things I can give Mr. Average to help him see me the better, this is purely self-preservation.
As I drive a big grey wagon that becomes invisible in rain, mist and dusk.. I personally feel that bright lights are an advantage .. I tend to turn my headlights on early and off late in all the above conditions to help save all the hassle of getting myself and my wagon fixed.
Just my opinion … but I don’t think that there needs to be laws put in place to make you use day light lights – just a common sense approach on how to use the lights you have …
However I do like the ideas of the extra bright LED sidelights though even just for the power saving benefits…!

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20th Aug 2010 6:06pm

adafish

Member Since: 30 Mar 2009
Location: atherstone
Posts: 1385

Wyv, me to...Drive great big grey 110, and always turn the lights on when the wet stuff appears...Nas front lights with LED bulbs are bright enough. The only problem i have is that when listening to radio in landy and flickin light switch i loose reception. Putting Dreams on Drives at JLR Solihull..

20th Aug 2010 9:13pm

lrdxb110

Member Since: 09 Jul 2009
Location: Dubai
Posts: 224

2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Stornoway Grey

mse wrote:
Whats the obsession with DRLs...surely its daylight so you can see?

If its dark turn your side lights on...

Well if you have seen the sand storms we have down here in Dubai or any country in the middle east, visibility can reduced down to 50/100 metres and it can get very dangerous driving. UAE has one of the highest road deaths in the world. I just want to be safe on the roads.

I have placed the LR Safari 5000 Lamps on which are fantastic but they do literally blind other cars and they do use more power. '08 LR Defender 110
'08 Mini Cooper S - Sidewalk
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'79 MB 450SEL 6.9

20th Aug 2010 9:46pm

Mad Cow

Member Since: 27 Oct 2009
Location: Hertfordshire
Posts: 292

2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Zermatt Silver

Can't say I'm a fan especially being a motorcyclist.

One bike is a 2009 so runs on dip beam all the time, I have no choice in the matter.

The other is a 2002 so still has an on-off switch.

Despite this I ride with lights on as it does help make you stand out and always have done since i started biking in 1979.

However the reason bikers stand out is because most other vehicles DON'T have lights on during the day. Once all vehicles are running around with ultra brite DRLs then bikes will just disapear into the background.

What Harvey is referring to is a phenomena that means as your eye concentrates on the light source an area around the light effectively becomes invisible, you see it but the brain doesn't really register what's there. So other road users motorbikes, cycles etc are harder to spot.

The same happens with motorbike headlights but as it's smaller the effect is less pronounced. And as a biker as it's your light the viewer concentrates on that's the effect you want

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Nothing for it but work out how to fit a .50 cal browning or a GPMG on the handlebars

Now I know why I always wanted one of these

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20th Aug 2010 10:57pm

harveyg77

Member Since: 09 Apr 2010
Location: Derby
Posts: 309

Thanks 'madcow' that's what I meant ;/)

I agree with Wyvern & the other chap in a grey Defender, you look at the conditions and act accordingly. It involves thinking and responding. If people are so thick as to not be able to select the right times to put their lights on or off then they shouldn't be on the road! Having auto lights just excuses and hides incompetence!

I've had several cars with auto lights/wipers etc and I usually just switch them off. I prefer making that decision myself. I sometimes find the systems come on when there is no need and on other occassions I want them on and get nothing. And don't get me started in automatic bloody gearboxes!!!

;/)

Morning slobbing in bed on my mobile catching up before taking the bike out for a ride (as in mtb no euthanism) :-/

21st Aug 2010 6:29am

bpman

Member Since: 21 May 2008
Location: Oslo
Posts: 8069

So you would not like my Audi Q5 quattro, it has 7 speed automatic gears + flappy paddles, auto lights on/off, auto dip/full beam switching, wipers, locking, climate control, auto seats, cruise and day running lights.

both 4x4s, but my 110 is the complete opposite, so it' nice to have the choice.

I've not had DRL's before but it's amazing just how many pedestrians notice them in the day.

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21st Aug 2010 7:25am

harveyg77

Member Since: 09 Apr 2010
Location: Derby
Posts: 309

TBH I like the Q5, but you're right, I would not be impressed with everything being automatic

21st Aug 2010 1:29pm

mlightfoot

Member Since: 10 Jan 2009
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 86

2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

Have a chat to Ian at www.IRBdevelopments.com They sell the OEM SVX LED lights and Ian is a great guy for knowledge.

26th Aug 2010 4:53pm

adafish

Member Since: 30 Mar 2009
Location: atherstone
Posts: 1385

will get some pic's up of IRB Devlopments Puma running mobilecentre LED light kit...We have the DRL's fitted in with the sidelights...they come in 70mm lens...If you went to Petebog, it was the Keswick Green Puma on show... Putting Dreams on Drives at JLR Solihull..

14th Sep 2010 4:02pm

mlightfoot

Member Since: 10 Jan 2009
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 86

I have just fitted the OEM LED rear lights bought from Tim and MobileCentre, can't recommend them high enough and bear in mind that his kit is full LED, the landrover kit doesn't provide LED for FOG and REVERSE. However mine now has LED all over

Very happy with the service from them.

16th Sep 2010 7:12am

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