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landybehr



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Water-in-fuel-sensor
Hi,

it looks like the water sensor, which the TD5 have attached to the fuel filter, is not present on the Puma.
AFAIK that sensor often spelled trouble, or gave false alarms ? Or is the fuel too good here? Or is the Puma not supposed to be used where water in fuel is a problem ? Could water, trapped in the fuel filter between the filter-service-intervals be a problem in winter when it freezes ?


I came across that thread:
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defen...rap-2.html
They have attached a plastic bowl to under the standard Puma-Fuel filter which makes inspection easy.
OTOH you ´have´ to inspect it then to give it some use. A nice addition would be the TD5 sensor (in case one would get the correct harness-plug and the wiring right) - so you get a warning light and then have the chance to look at the bowl to be sure. But there probably isn´t enough space to fit the bowl and the sensor.

(pics below)

Anyway, I still wonder what´s the reason behind omitting any means of making the driver aware there´s some water.




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sensor TD5 WKW5000060 - pic from Allmake

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Glynparry25



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I think in 90% of occasions there is no need to worry.

After a bad experience I have fitted a bowl (there are a few threads on here). I fitted mine in Jan and then checked it last month and found the bowl to be 1/4 full of dirt and water. I have this problem due to the bad fuel out here and everyone having running problems every few months.... Oh, and the bowl is glass Wink

I have also changed 6 filters in 6 months (on other vehicles) due to them blocking.

Considering the bowl costs so little and the Gwyn lewis filter relocation kit moves it sufficiently so the trailing arms don't hit it.

If you are worried about freezing- there is also a heater kit- an element that goes into the drain plug hole.

Glyn Dog Sheep
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Marius



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does that water collection bowl fit directly to the standard Defender Fuel filter?
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Marius wrote:
does that water collection bowl fit directly to the standard Defender Fuel filter?


Marius, I don't think so, you need another one --
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Marius



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45 pounds gets you two of those water catchers including postage to SA. I'm thinking about it.......might wait till the end of the year - thats when my waranty expires
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blackwolf



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According to the poster on the AULRO forum - who is actually our own Defender2 superhero Lorryman100 Thumbs Up - the sedimentor bowl WILL fit directly onto a standard Puma filter.

See here
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Glynparry25



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It does fit on the Land Rover filter- but I am sure it will be in the other thread that you need to relocate the filter to prevent the radius arm hitting it.

You can either manufacture one yourself or as I did pay £30 for a Gwyn Lewis one which does the job. You also need to adjust the shape of the bottom of the fuel filter guard.

Here is mine after 200 litres of fuel (3 fills).


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You just can beat Cyprus fuel stations!!!...... But then again I can't complain at £1.10 a litre.

Glyn Dog :sheep:

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Marius



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Glyn

can you send me a link to the (Gwyn Lewis) plate you talked about
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Glynparry25



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Hi,

It doesn't seem to be a separate item on his website- he tends to sell them as part of the 'Challenge' suspension kit.

Here is the link to the item in his ebay shop: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Td5-Puma-110-130...2a13e3ccac

Might be an idea to email him- maybe even sort out a group buy if people want to do the fuel bowl modification.

Glyn Dog Sheep
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Marius



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how easy is it to get that gunk and water out of the bowl?
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Glynparry25



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Park on a slope (I just put the front wheels on the sommers lift) and then loosen off the tap and it just flows out (Have emptied twice since fitting).

I am sure I could have positioned it so that the tap was at the bottom of the bowl rather the top, but it was my first attempt and have been a bit busy since to get around to re-adjusting.

Glyn Dog Sheep
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landybehr



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How does the filter rest in the wheelarch after the G-L relocation kit is installed ?


´cause - the relocation plate that´s in the austr.forum´s link looks like this:

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It´s straightforward to see what it does - i.e. nothing more than moving the fixing points up by 25mm.



and the G-L plate like this:


in this case I cannot quite understand which drilled holes go where on the Chassis.

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landybehr



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Marius wrote:
does that water collection bowl fit directly to the standard Defender Fuel filter?


The picture from the austr. Forum (browse through the link in the first posting here) shows a original Fuel Filter, with printed-on LR-logo. To this the bowl is attached.
Idea proof enough for me to try Very Happy
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Glynparry25



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landybehr wrote:


How does the filter rest in the wheelarch after the G-L relocation kit is installed ?



It moves the filter forward, up and out (the spacer washers move it away from the chassis). I have modified the picture of the Gwyn Lewis:




I guess if you can make a plate at home that is the ideal answer- I got this one for the simple fact it is as cheap as the materials would cost and it is galvanised and a guaranteed easy install. It it were more expensive I would have probably just made one.

Glyn Dog :sheep:

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landybehr



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errr ... but then the GwynLewis-Plate moves it forward but only a couple of mm´s up.
Doesn´t that still spell trouble when the radius(trailing) arm is raised upwards at axle-twisters ?

Seems resp. the homepage says like his plate is designed to move the filter away from the shock mounting. But not upwards as he probably hasn´t had got in mind to gain space for a filter bowl.


Anyway´s the plate from TimNZ is easy to reproduce if I could find a sheet of scale/plotting paper with millimeter-scale on it to mark where a centre punch will have to hit the steel.
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