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danridge



Member Since: 28 May 2013
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United Kingdom 2004 Defender 90 Td5 XS CSW Java Black
Mine started whistling and forum diagnosed as warped manifold. Removed the engine cover and manifold heat shield and confirmed it is a warped manifold. I need the truck back on the road asap so bought one of the £175 de-webbed ones off ebay. Removed my manifold today and have two snapped studs left in the head. One is easily accessible and one is not. The ones that is not is the bottom stud by where the AC unit would be and I cant get a drill square on to it. I had intended to see this through myself, having ready most have at least one snapped stud when they do this but now I'm very nervous I'll mess it up. I did a test on one the studs that snapped off earlier, the nut still seized on it. The nut emulating the head in this test. I put the nut in the vice and drilled, starting with small bit and working up. Drill bits cut nicely (luxury of being in a vice!), went slow and steady. Once I'd figured out I need turn the bolt extractor opposite direction Wink it bit in and seemed to start well but that damn bolt would not come out of that nut. It felt like I would snap the bolt extractor. Now my only hope is the stud was in the nut and the nut was squeezed in the vice therefore exerting more and uneven pressure than the stud would have in the head. The head is aluminium so wont 'hold on' so tight to the stud?? It held it enough to shear the stud though Big Cry
And all that was in a vice - what hope do I have on the two sheared off in the head with a cordless drill!? one of which I cant get square on to!
Do I concede defeat now before I Censored the head? Any tips? wisdom from those who have been in the same situation?
Thanks in advance.
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DG123



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Mine started whistling about 2 years after remap (2003 D2). I drove it for a couple of days as I had no other options. As far as I remember my local garage (non Land Rover specialist) skimmed the manifold and refitted for about £70. Head went about a year later - again this was skimmed and refitted for a not outrageous cost. I normally like to do my own work on my cars but sometimes it's better value just to farm it out, especially if I'm struggling for time and the weathers iffy as I have to work outside. 2012 110 XS SW Orkney Grey
2003 D2 Td5 Black [SOLD]
Post #478182 1st Dec 2015 11:01pm
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camelman



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yep, mine went twice on tuned TD5, got it skimmed the first time then a replacement 2nd time around. 
Post #478183 1st Dec 2015 11:04pm
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Lambley



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Danridge - Can't shed any wisdom really other than if you've got a 'friendly' or local garage I'd get them to take a look before you go any further, they might be able to suggest something and it might not cost you too much, otherwise it could lead to having the head re-tapped etc, which isn't a massive job but could be time consuming.
I've still not got round to fitting mine, I have a de-webbed one sitting in the garage ready to be fitted but I've not had call for it yet. Maybe I'd better get my finger out before mine does the same.
Best of luck with it, and please report back as to how you get on.
Post #478204 1st Dec 2015 11:39pm
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danridge



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Cheers guys - I will update when sorted, one way or the other Thumbs Up
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danridge



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United Kingdom 2004 Defender 90 Td5 XS CSW Java Black
Update: I decided to have a go at this myself the next day. Almost predictably the bolt extractor snapped off in hole I drilled in the first stud. Arrggh.

I called it a day at that point, bolted things back together as much as possible and limped her to my local independent Landy garage.

He got both sheared studs out and here how...

To get the ~3mm tip of the easy out/bolt extractor out he drilled a small hole (~1.5mm) either side of the snapped off tip, applied some heat and managed to tease it out.

Then back to the original job, removal of the sheared studs.
He drilled them both with ~5mm bit and then hammered a torx bit socket in to the drilled hole really tight. Applied plenty of penetrating fluid and heat, attached a socket wrench to the torx bit socket and was then able to got them to turn. Fair play to him... he said when he dropped it off "I haven't had one beat me in 20 years". Thankfully his record still stands Smile

My conclusion on using easy out/bolt extractors:
If the stud is seized proper then it wont help. You're forcing pressure from the centre of a seized bolt/stud outwards,via the drilled hole, so actually compounding the problem. If its free in the thread but you cant get on to it I'd consider using one again.

Neat idea using the torx bit socket for seized bolts/studs.
I guess if that didn't work next would be drilled out as much as possible and try hook out the bits of stud left and hope to not damage threads too much.
If that failed it would be large drill bit to drill out completely, threads an all and helicoil but I'd have needed the head off for that for a proper job as could get square on to one of the studs.

Cost me £240+plus new manifold so completely against the DIY saves money but nothing ventured and all that... and good lessons learnt. Might save me next time Smile

Cheers Thumbs Up
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landy andy



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When I did mine I drilled the hole in the broken studs and hammered in a Torx bit, but I then wound broken stud IN, removed torx bit, then cleaned thread with tap, before reusing torx bit to then wind the broken stud out.

Andy.
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