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| Nidge Member Since: 27 Jan 2008 Location: Kildare Ireland Posts: 817   
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Brilliant steve
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16th Feb 2015 8:50pm |
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| dnorrishill Member Since: 15 Jul 2011 Location: Hampshire Posts: 613  
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Well there have been no heavily disguised test mules spotted and they normally start appearing a year or two before launch.
Think how long ago a freelander sized test hack was around - couple of years ago - and that is only now launching as the new disco sport. I also thought that they were going to add more model to the discovery family first - i.e. the new full fat discovery based on the the new Range Rover sport platform. My guess is it will be 1-2 years before we see anything concrete with actual models in the showroom after that. Its a pure guess and I could be totally wrong... |
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17th Feb 2015 5:51am |
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| mick Member Since: 08 Feb 2010 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 2109 
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Yup reckon your on the money no plans for 2 years  means we can forget about a new Def  the markets changing  |
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17th Feb 2015 9:31am |
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| steve E Member Since: 06 Mar 2011 Location: Tenby Posts: 2073 
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I think we will get the DC100
They have already made the new defender. A little tweak here and there but that is what we will get. |
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17th Feb 2015 10:04am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018  
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Gerry McG is already on record as sayng the DC100 is not the way they have gone...
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17th Feb 2015 10:05am |
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| steve E Member Since: 06 Mar 2011 Location: Tenby Posts: 2073
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They might change a bit of plastic here and there but I think it is the basis of what they will build.
I must say also that I quite like the DC100 concept. we know they cant make an old school vehicle any more so I am really thinking as to what we expect them to build. We can talk about it but it all comes down to numbers and I bet if they put the Dc100 in the dealers at £30k they would have a waiting list. My wife needs to replace her 2008 Terios so I wish they would hurry up  |
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17th Feb 2015 10:18am |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471 
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...and yet another round of conjecture and second guessing
Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. Last edited by Happyoldgit on 17th Feb 2015 1:14pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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17th Feb 2015 10:21am |
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| mick Member Since: 08 Feb 2010 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 2109
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That earlier effort DC 100
was just a spoof to test the water and get opinions |
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17th Feb 2015 12:37pm |
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| Huego Member Since: 17 Feb 2015 Location: Bristol Posts: 13
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Hi everyone,
First post from a long-term lurker on these forums and life-long fan of the Land Rover Series / Defender. I believe the article that refers to a possible preview at Geneva 2015 is in Autocar, Oct 2014 - "However, a sneak preview in the form of a concept car is currently being discussed. Potential debuts for a concept are next March at the Geneva show, at the New York show in the spring or at the Frankfurt show next September." However I'd be surprised if something new breaks cover until late 2015, with all the attention currently focused at the demise of the current model. From comments I've read on a few forums, by people apparently 'in the know' it sounds like the Defender replacement will retain a progressive look as shown in DC100, but more instantly recognisable as a Defender. I personally think the front end will have a squared-off design somewhere between the Discovery 5 concept and maybe the Ford Flex, but that's just my opinion. Maybe the new Disco and Defender will break cover around the same time if they share the same underpinnings? Cheers Huego |
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18th Feb 2015 10:42am |
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| shaun.mobile Member Since: 12 Dec 2011 Location: England Posts: 156 
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how many defenders are still to be sold. that includes any not yet manufactured and any sat in compounds waiting to be sold?
what if JLR have got it spot on and the replacement is so good that they are worried they will have to discount heavily to shift the remains of the current model. I doubt that this is the truth sadly but I don't think that the appearance of the new model can possibly increase the value of the current models that have yet to be sold, unless the new model is so bad that everyone will want to be an owner of the last of current model but that would make no sense whatsoever. JLR will want to keep their customer base and expand upon it in my opinion. |
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18th Feb 2015 8:34pm |
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| DSC-off Member Since: 16 Oct 2014 Location: North East Posts: 1394 
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Shaun,
The current Defender is an instant classic, regardless of what follows it. Same as when the original Mini was replaced by BMW. You won't find a cheap Defender for the next 10 years. (If you could ever find a cheap one!) There WILL be a gap of 18mths to 2 yrs between old and new, so there is absolutely no chance of any discounted old models. After May 2015 they are only building to order, if that's not already the case, so there is no stock pile to shift that MUST be registered by early 2016 due to legislation. JLR have their eye on a customer base that buys in the £30k to £130k price range and they are expanding on it. The Defender replacement will be in there. Remember in early 2014 you could buy a Freelander for £22k? Well the cheapest Disco Sport is currently £32k. If you don't fit in the profile, they don't want to sell to you! Finally, if Landrover were really bothered about shifting Defenders, why has it had so little money spent on developing it over 67 years? Launched 1948 New body 1958 Range Rover suspension 1983 Transit engine & gearbox 2007. That may be a harsh simplistic summary, but it's true. J. |
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18th Feb 2015 9:13pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3149 
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I doubt there will be a new Defender, not as we understand it anyway. A lifestyle vehicle with an odd nod and wink to the current model perhaps, but that will be it apart from the name. They are NOT interested in selling to the utility sector, farmers etc, it is all going premium, as mentioned above prices are going UP, not down. The likes of Isuzu with the D-max will scoop up the working vehicle market. The new Defender will no doubt be a very capable SUV...
I did read somewhere that demand has shot up for Defenders, and no way are any of them hanging around waiting for buyers. I understand the 130 has already gone out of production or will very soon, from April you can only order 90HT, 90SW, 110SW, 110USW. All hard top and pick up models dropped. What does that tell us? I suspect that whatever the new one is like, prices for the current model will stay very strong as there will always be that purist element that will want the real deal. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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20th Feb 2015 4:38pm |
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| DSC-off Member Since: 16 Oct 2014 Location: North East Posts: 1394
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Exactly
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20th Feb 2015 4:58pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3149
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Another way to look at it is that the new Defender will be to the old model what the new mini is to the original mini, or the new VW beetle is to the old VW beetle. It will have a few styling cues whilst at the same time totally and utterly missing the point of the vehicle. The new mini and beetle are both quite big cars, very high tech and advanced. The originals did so well because they were so simple, not in spite of it, and because they were compact.
I grew up with minis in the family when I was a kid, and have driven the new type. It is without doubt a very nice car, but it is still just another mid-size car that looks a bit like a mini if you look at it from the right angle, squint and say ten hail mary's...okay I'm kidding but I think it makes my point. JLR seem to have totally missed the point that a lot of people do buy Defenders precisely because they look so much like the old ones off Daktari or the camel trophy, and they have that direct linage. The new one will basically be a rebodied disco 4 and I just can't see how it will ever evoke the same passion as the old one... RIP Defender... 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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20th Feb 2015 6:40pm |
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